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Roberto Martinez discussion
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His transfer record at Wigan wasnt all that Dave.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Anyone who reckons Moyes 'failed' isn't living in the real world. If that's what you think then you're setting standards that are simply beyond where our aspirations should lie.
Martinez has one of the most difficult jobs in the league now to try and improve where we finish in the league without a serious injection of money.
Martinez has one of the most difficult jobs in the league now to try and improve where we finish in the league without a serious injection of money.
Martinez' job isn't to try and improve where we finish in the league. It's to win us a cup.
Pretty sure hes expected to do both.
Sylvain
Player Valuation: £1m
He got a serious injection of money, £28m from Fellaini if I remember correctly.
Davek, you wonder where that £10m surplus from the summer transfers went?
Try the loan fees and wages of Barry and Lukaku. For perspective: Chelsea wanted £5m for Ba on loan last summer, they let us have Lukaku knowing we *might* push them for the CL and they actually rate Lukaku.
Not from me.
I would like to see us finish 4th. But I don't think it's a reasonable expectation. Finishing 5th, 6th and 7th is about what this team is capable of. The cups are what he should be judged on.
I'll say one thing, if Martinez persists with this system and we keep being "nearly there" with it, he'll stand right next to Moyes as far as I'm concerned. We have to be seen to be trying new things, always...it's about not being predictable. For me, anyhow.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Well if we're paying above £5m to loan a player for 12 months then that is the most ridiculous transfer strategy I've heard of. Thankfully I think you're distorting your figures.
Duncan Disordely
Player Valuation: £35m
It may well be gone in all truthfulness, but Martinez needs to focus the teams kind now on trying to finish 4th. We'll need to go on a cracking run and a lot of luck to achieve it, and as I say I think it's probably gone, but we can't afford to let the players cruise until the end of the season.
I think he got his subs wrong today, at one point we had Barry, McCarthy, Osman and Barkley all on and we lost our shape. If he wanted to bring Ossie on and leave Barkely on one of Barry or McCarthy should have been sacrificed instead. That way we would still have had two wide players and one of Osman/Barkley could play the central role, one the attacking role.
This year was always going to be a transitional year, and as long ago as December now seems, some of those earlier performances have probably masked the fact that it is Martinez first season, and the changes to the way we play and they way we're coached. This time next year we'll be a different prospect.
Some players have excelled, some players have either been found out in the new way of playing, or are reaching the ends of their professional careers. Ask yourself this; out of our starting 11 today, who's a guaranteed starter next season? Baines, Coleman, McCarthy and Barkley? I'd add Jagielka into that mix as he's captain and defensive leader. Possibly Stones too? There's question marks over quite a few squad members now. Ossie, Pienaar and Distin are reaching the twilight of their careers. Mirallas seems to be far too inconsistent, and has been for quite a long time now.
It's going to be a big big summer in terms of Martinez rebuilding the squad and moulding it into a team capable of playing the way he wants us to.
If this time next year we're still bemoaning our play being all foreplay and no penetration, if we're still talking about only finishing 7/8 and still looking like we'll never win a cup, then he'll have got it wrong.
I still have plenty of faith that he'll get it right.
I think he got his subs wrong today, at one point we had Barry, McCarthy, Osman and Barkley all on and we lost our shape. If he wanted to bring Ossie on and leave Barkely on one of Barry or McCarthy should have been sacrificed instead. That way we would still have had two wide players and one of Osman/Barkley could play the central role, one the attacking role.
This year was always going to be a transitional year, and as long ago as December now seems, some of those earlier performances have probably masked the fact that it is Martinez first season, and the changes to the way we play and they way we're coached. This time next year we'll be a different prospect.
Some players have excelled, some players have either been found out in the new way of playing, or are reaching the ends of their professional careers. Ask yourself this; out of our starting 11 today, who's a guaranteed starter next season? Baines, Coleman, McCarthy and Barkley? I'd add Jagielka into that mix as he's captain and defensive leader. Possibly Stones too? There's question marks over quite a few squad members now. Ossie, Pienaar and Distin are reaching the twilight of their careers. Mirallas seems to be far too inconsistent, and has been for quite a long time now.
It's going to be a big big summer in terms of Martinez rebuilding the squad and moulding it into a team capable of playing the way he wants us to.
If this time next year we're still bemoaning our play being all foreplay and no penetration, if we're still talking about only finishing 7/8 and still looking like we'll never win a cup, then he'll have got it wrong.
I still have plenty of faith that he'll get it right.
I'd give him more than 2 years, like.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
You can't seriously believe we're paying anywhere near that amount for loan players fee's???
Even including wages I'd think your way off!
Even including wages I'd think your way off!
dholliday
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Lukaku was a 3m fee plus wages.
efcfanwirral
Player Valuation: £25m
This time next year he'll be gone, fall guy for us not spending any money and being left with Naismith, kone and traore on loan as his strikers.
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