Roberto Martinez discussion

[Christiffa25]

Lukaku was a 3m fee plus wages.

I simply do not believe this. 3M in total inc wages is more realistic.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

I'd give him more than 2 years, like.

That end bit hadn't come off quite as it was meant to in my mind (probably one to many post match Rekorderligs)

Am trying to say people are judging him things far too early, and I agree that he should be given more time to build his own team!

 

[bicycleheader]

It may well be gone in all truthfulness, but Martinez needs to focus the teams kind now on trying to finish 4th. We'll need to go on a cracking run and a lot of luck to achieve it, and as I say I think it's probably gone, but we can't afford to let the players cruise until the end of the season.

I think he got his subs wrong today, at one point we had Barry, McCarthy, Osman and Barkley all on and we lost our shape. If he wanted to bring Ossie on and leave Barkely on one of Barry or McCarthy should have been sacrificed instead. That way we would still have had two wide players and one of Osman/Barkley could play the central role, one the attacking role.

This year was always going to be a transitional year, and as long ago as December now seems, some of those earlier performances have probably masked the fact that it is Martinez first season, and the changes to the way we play and they way we're coached. This time next year we'll be a different prospect.

Some players have excelled, some players have either been found out in the new way of playing, or are reaching the ends of their professional careers. Ask yourself this; out of our starting 11 today, who's a guaranteed starter next season? Baines, Coleman, McCarthy and Barkley? I'd add Jagielka into that mix as he's captain and defensive leader. Possibly Stones too? There's question marks over quite a few squad members now. Ossie, Pienaar and Distin are reaching the twilight of their careers. Mirallas seems to be far too inconsistent, and has been for quite a long time now.

It's going to be a big big summer in terms of Martinez rebuilding the squad and moulding it into a team capable of playing the way he wants us to.

If this time next year we're still bemoaning our play being all foreplay and no penetration, if we're still talking about only finishing 7/8 and still looking like we'll never win a cup, then he'll have got it wrong.

I still have plenty of faith that he'll get it right.

Great post apart from the end....i still wont be judging him too harshly unless we suddenly drop like a dead weight down the league.

 

[davek]

His transfer record at Wigan wasnt all that Dave.

I dont know. Moses and McCarthy pulled in a lot for Wigan. You only have to hit it right two or three times before a transfer plan pays its way. It's unreal comparing Martinez with Moyes on this though. If there's one area critics and supporters of him agree on it was his uncanny ability to unearth a gem at below £10M. He was far from typical.

 

[bicycleheader]

That end bit hadn't come off quite as it was meant to in my mind (probably one to many post match Rekorderligs)

Am trying to say people are judging him things far too early, and I agree that he should be given more time to build his own team!

just saw your next post after i posted.

patience and money!

 

[dholliday]

I simply do not believe this. 3M in total inc wages is more realistic.

haha!

It was somewhere between 3-5m. I'm plumping for 3m as that's the low end and I'm feeling a little low.

There's dozens of mentions of this in respected news and blog outlets. Officially it's undisclosed. Google is your mate.

 

[Walter Ego]

He should change his shoes. It was a stupid idea in the first place.

 

[Sylvain]

My bad guys, banged to rights; Ba's loan fee was widely reported to be £3m. http://www1.skysports.com/football/...not-going-to-arsenal-according-to-sky-sources

I'd still hasten to to suggest that Lukaku is a better player and therefore demanded a bigger fee, although not £5m.

Interesting, Stoke turned down the chance to tempt Traore as they deemed the loan fee as poor value for less than 6 months.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stok...n-cost-hefty/story-20425439-detail/story.html

Even worse, now we know he wasn't fit and that was the reason Monaco were loaning him out in the first place.

 

[Allezfan]

haha!

It was somewhere between 3-5m. I'm plumping for 3m as that's the low end and I'm feeling a little low.

There's dozens of mentions of this in respected news and blog outlets. Officially it's undisclosed. Google is your mate.

Those same outlets also claimed Oviedo cost 5 million when copenhagen told their share holders in their official financial figures that it was 1.3 million like.

 

[Carlito]

I'm still very pleased with Martinez, but that could be because my expectations for a Kenwright-led Everton are extremely low.

Assuming the team doesn't fall down the league between now and the end of the season, he'll have at least dispelled one of the biggest myths of the Moyes era: that playing positive, attractive football on a budget would mean relegation. I never did buy into the idea that finishing seventh was dependent on having a full-back or centre-half in midfield.

 

[dholliday]

Those same outlets also claimed Oviedo cost 5 million when copenhagen told their share holders in their official financial figures that it was 1.3 million like.

We don't know because it's all undisclosed. Less than a 3m fee seems crazy-cheap considering his WBA performance last season. Sheeds might be well-placed to provide an educated guess.

 

[billycopper]

Moyes and Martinez both stick steadfastly to their principles and I don't necessarily think it's a good thing. You need to find what works to win games and once other teams figure that out you need to adapt. If you stick to doing the same thing it's very difficult not to become predictable.

 

[Allezfan]

I'm still very pleased with Martinez, but that could be because my expectations for a Kenwright-led Everton are extremely low.

Assuming the team doesn't fall down the league between now and the end of the season, he'll have at least dispelled one of the biggest myths of the Moyes era: that playing positive, attractive football on a budget would mean relegation. I never did buy into the idea that finishing seventh was dependent on having a full-back or centre-half in midfield.

I thought that myth was dispelled last year, when Moyes finally tried it himself and we gained a place in the league, if I'm honest.

But yeah it's a huge improvement on that score.

 

[Blue Truth]

Moyes and Martinez both stick steadfastly to their principles and I don't necessarily think it's a good thing. You need to find what works to win games and once other teams figure that out you need to adapt. If you stick to doing the same thing it's very difficult not to become predictable.

Difference is Martinez wants to win every game.

 

[davek]

I'm still very pleased with Martinez, but that could be because my expectations for a Kenwright-led Everton are extremely low.

Assuming the team doesn't fall down the league between now and the end of the season, he'll have at least dispelled one of the biggest myths of the Moyes era: that playing positive, attractive football on a budget would mean relegation. I never did buy into the idea that finishing seventh was dependent on having a full-back or centre-half in midfield.

Spot on, mate.

I think if Moyes had served up decent football he'd have been missed a lot more. The fact is he served up more muck than he did football.

All you can reasonably ask of a manager labouring under the weight of a boardroom determined to take money out of the squad rather than put into it is that they operate around the European placings, make a good fist of it in the cups and play a brand of football that makes us proud. Box ticked three times on Martinez.