Dave, we got knocked out the Carling Cup by quite possibly the worst Fulham side in their history.
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DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
Yeah under Moyes we'd try this style of football if we were confident but resort to hoofs whenever we got scared.
Martinez seems committed to the style regardless of circumstances. It's a huge improvement.
Having said that we haven't really played anyone off the park in the league for a few months, now. We weren't great to watch while grinding out results vs villa and west ham.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Yeah, people do seem to make out that we were playing Stoke-esque football. Don't get me wrong some of it wasn't pretty at times. I just don't think Moyes was a fan of passing for the sake of passing. I remember the year we had Beckford and that approach seemed to infuriate him a lot.
Because it was part of a pattern of failiure lasting 11 years.
You're damned right I'm less harsh on a manger who's only been here two months.
Though I wasn't happy about Fulham and still aren't. That, not today, was our big chance for a trophy and europe.
Well so far we have beaten 1 team all season that we shouldnt have, Chelsea at Home.
Yeah we've been poor vs the teams above us in the league this year. (Man U don't count, false position, palace at home is a gimme for a point at least.)
Hopefully we can right that wrong when city and the arse come to goodison.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I dont know. That was a big monkey to get off our backs.
Chelsea home and United away, and the way we handled Arsenal in the league game away were breakthrough performances.
United away wasnt a good result, at the time it was, but then every man and his dog went there and got results.
You seem to be forgetting the obvious. We have battled with the top teams toe to toe instead of playing a defensive hope to nick a goal style of play. Don't forget we have now discarded the knife and gone to play these with a gun albeit a smaller gun than theres.
The Chelsea home game was huge for martinez. We hadn't won a league game at that point, people were turning on him in the ground and we turned up, gave a proper everton performance and left elated.
Likewise the old trafford game was when we first started believing something special was happening.
Same with the goodison debry, actually, even though we didn't win we played so well it felt like a sea change.
In terms of breakthrough performances for Everton and not Martinez though, I'm not convinced any them was anything special. Last year we beat spurs, city and utd at home. I expect that from us at home, tbh. And the man u game has lost a lot in hindsight given that this season an under 5s team could go to old trafford and win
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's the one blight on Martinez's record for me; the one that cant be argued away. First season moulding another manager's players and getting the standard generally reached, though, has been an achievement. I think if we look back on the thread before the season where we all stated what would be ok/good/excellent I think we'd have all accepted this scenario.
What would be your reaction if we got to 68-70 points this season?
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The Arsenal away performance was defo a breakthrough performance mate.
I think we're in danger of missing that now because we're looking back through the prism of a series of poor results. But that game was an amazing performance. Sadly we haven't hit those heights again, but we fell away by not investing and strengthening, not because the manager forgot how to do it or the players stunk from Christmas. And that's at least gratifying to know in one respect.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Brilliant achievement and wondering how he's going to manage to improve upon that next time around. That's the difficult aspect because I'd say our fan base is unanimous in believing things are only going to keep improving .
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