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Roberto Martinez discussion

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That's the one blight on Martinez's record for me; the one that cant be argued away. First season moulding another manager's players and getting the standard generally reached, though, has been an achievement. I think if we look back on the thread before the season where we all stated what would be ok/good/excellent I think we'd have all accepted this scenario.

What would be your reaction be if we got to 68-70 points this season?

Im not for points totals, im all about the league placings and shiny cups.
 
What would be your reaction be if we got to 68-70 points this season?

I'm coming off as more of a downer on Bobby then I really want to be, here. But I will say that points totals have to be taken in context. We've come 8th and 4th with the same points totals. That's just because the lower half of the league was weaker in the former case.

Positions mean more than points total.
 
The Arsenal away performance was defo a breakthrough performance mate.

I think we're in danger of missing that now because we're looking back through the prism of a series of poor results. But that game was an amazing performance. Sadly we haven't hit those heights again, but we fell away by not investing and strengthening, not because the manager forgot how to do it or the players stunk from Christmas. And that's at least gratifying to know in one respect.

Yeah, I agree. Fair point. That was a top performance.
 
The Arsenal away performance was defo a breakthrough performance mate.

I think we're in danger of missing that now because we're looking back through the prism of a series of poor results. But that game was an amazing performance. Sadly we haven't hit those heights again, but we fell away by not investing and strengthening, not because the manager forgot how to do it or the players stunk from Christmas. And that's at least gratifying to know in one respect.

Maybe your forgetting the time in the snow when Pienaar gave us a late goal that we couldnt keep hold of.
 
Some people talk like we're the current champions or have been challanging for the title recently and slipped....

Look guys truth be told, were the 7th best 6th at a push side in the PL.

We ain't any way doing badly or been doing badly in the last 10yrs.... Yes would be nice to have had the luck, and the right performances at the right times to win a trophy but it hasn't happened, just as it hasn't happened for many other a team.
 

Im not for points totals, im all about the league placings and shiny cups.

I am too, but it's important to players to know what they have to aim for isn't within easy reach. Moyes got us into the low 60 point category and we never felt like we'd performed unless we at least achieved it again the next season. If Martinez can make high 60s and maybe 70 points the norm we can grab some low lying fruit in terms of CL fourth place in the coming seasons.
 

Moyes' teams for the past three years of his time with us played some really nice stuff.

The problem was that we could snot teams all over the show with our play but as soon as we scored our first goal then we would retreat 15 yards back in position. Try and hang on. How many three and four nils did we achieve? There's your answer.

At least under Martinez he'll continue to go at teams. Will hurt us sometimes but for the most part we'll be sound and its what I like to see my Everton teams do.
 

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