Roberto Martinez Shenanigans: All Reaction Here

[stinger]

Lets be honest, Martinez's record at Wigan is bad. His defensive organization at wigan is truly terrible as the stats prove and ultimately its ended with him taking them down over his 4 yrs in charge.

Now are we hiring based on that??
Were Wigan correct hiring him in the first place??
And what were they wanting from him??

Firstly, when Wigan hired him they clearly wanted a whole new direction at the club. They wanted to curb the spending, half the spending on wages, implement a youth system and change the whole style of play. Big ask for a club like Wigan if your wanting to stay in the PL at the same time. You would have to say he's succeeded on all those things apart from staying in the PL. Wigan are in a better posistion as a club than when he joined off the field.

IMO he was the incorrect appointment for Wigan UNLESS your accepting relegation is a major risk making all those changes, other things havnt helped him along the way, (injuries selling players) but I think it was always invietable with Martinez in charge and the changes they were trying to make. David moyes and efc did it a different way. Moyes didn't care for our style whatsoever the first 5 yrs whilst building a side from the back that was hard to beat. However efc had a lot of advantages over Wigan in regards to wages, attracting players ect.

Clearly we not looking to hire him based on his ability to keep a team in the PL and rebuild a team from scratch. That's not needed here. The youth set up is already in place. IMO from our point of view, his appointment will be based on being a manager who like moyes is very dedicated, loyal to his employer, wants to run club from bottom to top, knows the transfer market and has an excellent knowledge of football. His changing of the style of play with quality players in place will be a lot more of a smoother transition here than at Wigan.

So to summerise I think if Wigan wanted stay in the PL at all costs, Martinez was the wrong appointment for them at that time. If they wanted to change there club he's done that but at the cost of relegation.

For us it's different circumstances he's coming into. He'll give the board everything they want from a moyes type loyal manager. We won't go down even if he fooks up, but his changes will be a lot easier here to implement than at Wigan.

Get behind him, could end up very well, he's young and will have great back room staff to assist him. His next move was always going to be the big test...at least in affect he rejected L'pool for us!! Ha..

This is one excellent post.

 

[Jacko93]

Dont know if its been mentioned, but i thought it was funny on Talksport last night, with Max Rushden standing in. Some Stoke fan was on saying about how Martinez going to Everton is not cut and dry. He said that Stike have a chairman whos ready to pump money into the club, its a project that would give him greater satisfaction to chage the whole ethos of the club, the chance to become a hero and a legend for a club with stacks of history currently in their 150th year. A job where 6th would be seen as success, not failure and one where the manager who left has not left a job which could be seen as a poison chalice. What would you rather Max? All that, or the possibility of failure?

Rushdens reply? "I'd still rather go to Everton to be honest"

 

[boris]

Lets be honest, Martinez's record at Wigan is bad. His defensive organization at wigan is truly terrible as the stats prove and ultimately its ended with him taking them down over his 4 yrs in charge.

Now are we hiring based on that??
Were Wigan correct hiring him in the first place??
And what were they wanting from him??

Firstly, when Wigan hired him they clearly wanted a whole new direction at the club. They wanted to curb the spending, half the spending on wages, implement a youth system and change the whole style of play. Big ask for a club like Wigan if your wanting to stay in the PL at the same time. You would have to say he's succeeded on all those things apart from staying in the PL. Wigan are in a better posistion as a club than when he joined off the field.

IMO he was the incorrect appointment for Wigan UNLESS your accepting relegation is a major risk making all those changes, other things havnt helped him along the way, (injuries selling players) but I think it was always invietable with Martinez in charge and the changes they were trying to make. David moyes and efc did it a different way. Moyes didn't care for our style whatsoever the first 5 yrs whilst building a side from the back that was hard to beat. However efc had a lot of advantages over Wigan in regards to wages, attracting players ect.

Clearly we not looking to hire him based on his ability to keep a team in the PL and rebuild a team from scratch. That's not needed here. The youth set up is already in place. IMO from our point of view, his appointment will be based on being a manager who like moyes is very dedicated, loyal to his employer, wants to run club from bottom to top, knows the transfer market and has an excellent knowledge of football. His changing of the style of play with quality players in place will be a lot more of a smoother transition here than at Wigan.

So to summerise I think if Wigan wanted stay in the PL at all costs, Martinez was the wrong appointment for them at that time. If they wanted to change there club he's done that but at the cost of relegation.

For us it's different circumstances he's coming into. He'll give the board everything they want from a moyes type loyal manager. We won't go down even if he fooks up, but his changes will be a lot easier here to implement than at Wigan.

Get behind him, could end up very well, he's young and will have great back room staff to assist him. His next move was always going to be the big test...at least in affect he rejected L'pool for us!! Ha..

Great post.

I also think abjectives are a bit different.

I reckon Wigan would of taken the cup win and relegation whilst here we wouldn't.

Without being disrespectful, Wigan have peaked in the league, they will never get any better as there only a small club. They have yo yo'd in the past but never won anything, ever. For them to pick up a major honour was the holy grail and he achieved that hence the celebrations even after they were relegated.

We've won cups before and pride ourselves on being there or there abouts in the top league every year hence why relegation would not be accepted here no matter what we win.

Reading there forums, virtually everyone speaks highly of Martinez, he will be a legend there for ever now.

 

[CardinalSin]

Lets be honest, Martinez's record at Wigan is bad. His defensive organization at wigan is truly terrible as the stats prove and ultimately its ended with him taking them down over his 4 yrs in charge.

Now are we hiring based on that??
Were Wigan correct hiring him in the first place??
And what were they wanting from him??

Firstly, when Wigan hired him they clearly wanted a whole new direction at the club. They wanted to curb the spending, half the spending on wages, implement a youth system and change the whole style of play. Big ask for a club like Wigan if your wanting to stay in the PL at the same time. You would have to say he's succeeded on all those things apart from staying in the PL. Wigan are in a better posistion as a club than when he joined off the field.

IMO he was the incorrect appointment for Wigan UNLESS your accepting relegation is a major risk making all those changes, other things havnt helped him along the way, (injuries selling players) but I think it was always invietable with Martinez in charge and the changes they were trying to make. David moyes and efc did it a different way. Moyes didn't care for our style whatsoever the first 5 yrs whilst building a side from the back that was hard to beat. However efc had a lot of advantages over Wigan in regards to wages, attracting players ect.

Clearly we not looking to hire him based on his ability to keep a team in the PL and rebuild a team from scratch. That's not needed here. The youth set up is already in place. IMO from our point of view, his appointment will be based on being a manager who like moyes is very dedicated, loyal to his employer, wants to run club from bottom to top, knows the transfer market and has an excellent knowledge of football. His changing of the style of play with quality players in place will be a lot more of a smoother transition here than at Wigan.

So to summerise I think if Wigan wanted stay in the PL at all costs, Martinez was the wrong appointment for them at that time. If they wanted to change there club he's done that but at the cost of relegation.

For us it's different circumstances he's coming into. He'll give the board everything they want from a moyes type loyal manager. We won't go down even if he fooks up, but his changes will be a lot easier here to implement than at Wigan.

Get behind him, could end up very well, he's young and will have great back room staff to assist him. His next move was always going to be the big test...at least in affect he rejected L'pool for us!! Ha..

You make some very good points. I'm sure every single one of us will get behind him, to start with at least. That's a given. I personally don't think he's done a good job at Wigan at all and he seems to have plenty of obvious flaws. My hope is that a different club, different set up may bring a change to that. Bottom line is none of us are completely sure how this one is going to pan out and it's just a case of wait and see.

based on what I've seen of Martinez, I'm not confident and his appointment concerns me. But I seriously hope I'm proved very wrong.

 

[Jcrawfor1@gmail.com]

Given the choice and power...no way good enough

love Cantona's poem on here, that hit the heart strings that, so topical. And the one good other thing you can say about the French...(apart from writing nursery shoite) is...'they are always there when they need you...'

 

[ijjysmith]

Lets be honest, Martinez's record at Wigan is bad. His defensive organization at wigan is truly terrible as the stats prove and ultimately its ended with him taking them down over his 4 yrs in charge.

Now are we hiring based on that??
Were Wigan correct hiring him in the first place??
And what were they wanting from him??

Firstly, when Wigan hired him they clearly wanted a whole new direction at the club. They wanted to curb the spending, half the spending on wages, implement a youth system and change the whole style of play. Big ask for a club like Wigan if your wanting to stay in the PL at the same time. You would have to say he's succeeded on all those things apart from staying in the PL. Wigan are in a better posistion as a club than when he joined off the field.

IMO he was the incorrect appointment for Wigan UNLESS your accepting relegation is a major risk making all those changes, other things havnt helped him along the way, (injuries selling players) but I think it was always invietable with Martinez in charge and the changes they were trying to make. David moyes and efc did it a different way. Moyes didn't care for our style whatsoever the first 5 yrs whilst building a side from the back that was hard to beat. However efc had a lot of advantages over Wigan in regards to wages, attracting players ect.

Clearly we not looking to hire him based on his ability to keep a team in the PL and rebuild a team from scratch. That's not needed here. The youth set up is already in place. IMO from our point of view, his appointment will be based on being a manager who like moyes is very dedicated, loyal to his employer, wants to run club from bottom to top, knows the transfer market and has an excellent knowledge of football. His changing of the style of play with quality players in place will be a lot more of a smoother transition here than at Wigan.

So to summerise I think if Wigan wanted stay in the PL at all costs, Martinez was the wrong appointment for them at that time. If they wanted to change there club he's done that but at the cost of relegation.

For us it's different circumstances he's coming into. He'll give the board everything they want from a moyes type loyal manager. We won't go down even if he fooks up, but his changes will be a lot easier here to implement than at Wigan.

Get behind him, could end up very well, he's young and will have great back room staff to assist him. His next move was always going to be the big test...at least in affect he rejected L'pool for us!! Ha..

Hmmm - agree on some points, but think you've assumed some stuff. Which is cool as that's all we can really do from the outside. And as you say it's your opinion some of that.

We don't know what's happened or will happen from inside Wigan, or inside Everton. We can only go on what we are allowed to see. We see Martinez being a nice chap, doing a reasonable job with Wigan (and that's being kind), but we don't know much more than that. I couldn't tell you his training methods for example. Maybe they are suited to us?

I guess all i'm saying is that there is a lot that we don't see. In fact i'd say there's more to these things that we don't see, than we do.

Then we have the fact that he might be joining us. A team with far superior players to Wigan. He might thrive with such talent at his disposal.

All ifs and maybes if you ask me.

 

[Jags..class]

I can understand fans worrying about Martinez, we're used to Moyes who put safety first before pretty football. Plus the facts that he cant build a defence is coming from Wigan and Swansea fans. Swanasea fans seem to hate him even tho they accept he turned the club around. Seems to have hurt the Swansea by leaving. But we already have a great team, and I would rather take a gamble on him then other managers like Hughes who had chances at a big club where Martinez hadn't. This is now his big test. Some rs fans gave him a nickname, baby Rafael.

 

[griffla]

I can understand fans worrying about Martinez, we're used to Moyes who put safety first before pretty football. Plus the facts that he cant build a defence is coming from Wigan and Swansea fans. Swanasea fans seem to hate him even tho they accept he turned the club around. Seems to have hurt the Swansea by leaving. But we already have a great team, and I would rather take a gamble on him then other managers like Hughes who had chances at a big club where Martinez hadn't. This is now his big test. Some rs fans gave him a nickname, baby Rafael.

I haven't been on Swansea forums but the fan who came on here last night said he'd take Martinez back tmrw. I really want him to join but my main concern if is he is ruthless enough in the transfer market.

 

[Michaelcoyb]

As long as we have other assistants in and around the club helping with the defensive side of things, I cant see any negatives to martinez being our manager.

 

[westyuk1]

Its a massive risk for what, loyalty? He went for talks with villa and Liverpool and once he's down throws his towel in. The credentials required Martinez hasnt achieved yet. 75% loss rate over four years with 38 wins in 125 games says a lot. His tenure has been worse at Wigan than Bruce and jewell by some margin.

 

[Christiffa25]

Make no mistake Martinez if appointed has a lot to learn about being manager at a big club, transfer dealings ect... Moyes certainly learned as he went along as Martinez will have to do.

 

[barkleys splinter]

The recruitmentment of a new manager has been as limited in its vision and reach as our marketing efforts. We really are a second grade club these days. Would any Everton in the past even be considering a man who had just taken a club down a division? Let's face it, BK was never really considering anyone else.

We'll wish Martinez well, but how long into the season would it before we panic if results start off badly? It'll take alot of nerve to then stick behind a manager who would still insist on playing the ball slowly from the back, a method which is wrongly construed by many as a sign of him liking to play good football. For me good football starts when you're in a position to hurt the opposition. Stroking it along the back is irrelevant. And most of what I see as Wigan's 'good football' is the latter.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Hey - it wasn't intended as an insult - nor was my poem intended to be taken as decent verse as I was taking the micky (at my own expense) as it happens - tongue in cheek stuff. If you want to apologise I'm here all day - otherwise "whatever" as they say, or lighten up.

Sorry sorry then, I stopped short of calling you a kopite or comparing u to a rawker though.

This toffee lady wouldn't be familiar to ya, would she? Or is that, familia...

No mate. My daughter didnt do that game, cos they knew I'd have told her to snap Whelan or give him a mint laced with fastest acting laxative known to man, causing him to rush to the lav and take a tumble, if he'd done that and broke a bone wed never hear the last of it.

 

[harry]

I never wanted Moyes and had to put up with him for eleven years. i am quite excited about martinez.

 

[nigelcoyb]

I swear that in the 2011/12 home game I witnessed the moment when Martinez "got it."

The teams were out and in the minutes before kick off, when all of the centre circle shiz was taking place he was standing on the touchline, looking round the place, up in the stands, top balc, FAM enc. St. End Bullens, park end. He was soaking it up and it was getting him, he turned and in front of him was the toffee lady coming off the pitch, he smiled accepted a mint and gently patted her on the head.
BOOOOOM !!!

Wind fwd a few days and some certain reprobates roll up at the DW wearing t-shirts in support of ratboy, leaving an altogether different taste in his mouth, no doubt made all the more sour by their affable supporters.

Come the end of that season and that same club want him as their boss. They get a straight No, he cant even be bothered nipping down the pier to grab a bargepole to push them away with.

His allegiance regarding the city had been set, based on dignity, morals and tradition.

This is where it comes back to bite them folks, where their vile behaviour all comes back at them, everyone said it would and this is where it starts.
All because We turned his head whereas they turned his stomach.

Wigan reignited his playing career that's why his heart took him back there in the 1st place, it's a big thing for him to leave again and it was going to need to be something special to take him away again.

For that reason he deserves our full support.



If he comes obviously.

That's how it happens mate... being chosen happens in so many ways but Goodison stealing your heart will do it every time - great piece written by a blue who really knows.