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Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
Is right - Nil Satis Nisi OPTIMUM - not mediocrity
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Nah, there's just plenty (me included) who don't see what he's done to get the job.
Once he's installed we'll support him, we're Blues & it's what we do
Bluenose1995
Player Valuation: £25m
Problem for me is that the media/fans of other clubs will/have already started with the whole "everton will struggle this season" "baines and felliani will go" bla bla bla but the problem is we havent had a manager to tell it how it is, moyes played the small club line, Kenwright is a Redcoat ****, neville/sharp etc. never big us up so we need a manager to come in and tell the facts as they are but martinez is not the man for that as he's too nice, but Redcoat wouldnt hire someone who would big us up
nigelcoyb
Player Valuation: £25m
Apart from the obvious of course..
BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Exactly.
nigelcoyb
Player Valuation: £25m
Think you've mis judged that mate, Martinez was positive throughout all Wigan's challenges that's all we need - don't want a clown saying "we're gonna do this and that" like some kinda Newcastle Utd buffoon.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
This "I'd rather finish 10-15 and win a trophy" thing just baffles me to no end. Not that I wouldn't make that choice if a genie showed up -- of course I would. BUT there is no choice.
Finishing 10-15th makes us less likely to win a Cup. Despite the odd Wigan win (which I know happened this year so it apparently means more than the last 10-20 Cup winners combined) the top of the table teams typically win Cups.
The extra 10-20m we get from finishing higher up helps our Cup cause. Moyes had 11 cracks at the FA Cup but if anyone thinks Everton's odds with any manager we could get of winning the FA Cup are 10%+ then they need their heads checked. Man U. haven't won for 10 years.
I'm aware some managers might prioritize Cups more than others. However no matter what attitude our manager has to Cups (bar someone who neglects to enter us in them) we have a better shot of winning one of them with consistent strong league finishes which result in tens of millions in extra revenue which means better players (and better managers/coaches/infrastructure in theory) and that all means a better chance of raising the Cup. I'd take a solid league manager who hopefully can fluke a Cup over some "Cup specialist" any day of the week.
And if you think Moyes not winning from 22 domestic chances proves anything then you need a lesson in statistics (and maybe in history too because we haven't won many Cups even when we were good/great and the league wasn't as deep).
I know I'm practically alone on this one but with all the luck of the draw stuff I say your best odds are maximizing your revenue (which means solid league finishes) and just hoping you pick up a Cup or two along the way. If you try to prioritize Cups you could still get a nightmare draw (or three bad minutes) and end up dumped out and 10m worse off because of your lousy league finish which is going to hurt your Cup chances the next year.
Finishing 10-15th makes us less likely to win a Cup. Despite the odd Wigan win (which I know happened this year so it apparently means more than the last 10-20 Cup winners combined) the top of the table teams typically win Cups.
The extra 10-20m we get from finishing higher up helps our Cup cause. Moyes had 11 cracks at the FA Cup but if anyone thinks Everton's odds with any manager we could get of winning the FA Cup are 10%+ then they need their heads checked. Man U. haven't won for 10 years.
I'm aware some managers might prioritize Cups more than others. However no matter what attitude our manager has to Cups (bar someone who neglects to enter us in them) we have a better shot of winning one of them with consistent strong league finishes which result in tens of millions in extra revenue which means better players (and better managers/coaches/infrastructure in theory) and that all means a better chance of raising the Cup. I'd take a solid league manager who hopefully can fluke a Cup over some "Cup specialist" any day of the week.
And if you think Moyes not winning from 22 domestic chances proves anything then you need a lesson in statistics (and maybe in history too because we haven't won many Cups even when we were good/great and the league wasn't as deep).
I know I'm practically alone on this one but with all the luck of the draw stuff I say your best odds are maximizing your revenue (which means solid league finishes) and just hoping you pick up a Cup or two along the way. If you try to prioritize Cups you could still get a nightmare draw (or three bad minutes) and end up dumped out and 10m worse off because of your lousy league finish which is going to hurt your Cup chances the next year.
Nobody is talking about knowingly sacrificing the league for cups. People are simply saying that if they were given the hypothetical choice between finishing 6th and getting nothing or finishing 10th and winning the FA Cup, they would choose the latter. To be honest i'm amazed that anybody wouldn't go along with that. We have nothing for nearly two friggin decades.
BernieWright13
Player Valuation: £15m
I don't think anyones suggesting we should prioritse the cups. Seriously competing when we play in them would do ( and make a change)
No I was saying that we've hired a manager who's league record isn't stunning but who won a cup with an inferior side against suerprior and richer sides and the latter was the skill we need more.
That's pretty much knowingly sacrificing the league for cups. Though in my defence, I only said that because there simply isn't any contenders who can guarantee an improvement over moyes in the league.
But I do think the ability to get a team to produce better performances than their opponents in quarter finals and finals is a one we need. Wigan were so so composed in those games while we and city fell apart. Moyes Everton have done a lot worse in cups then their league form would predict and I'm looking forward to that changing.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
6th or 15th and winning a cup?
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Personally I think its vital we donn't drop down the league, failing to battle for Europe, as we have quality players that simply won't stand for it and leave, also each place is worth around a mil, and each million is a mil closer to sell to survive. Sad but true.
Give me silverware and a poor league position once and I'd be happy, but a couple of league finishes in the bottom half regardless of trophies and we'll lose players for less money that we can't replace, millions in prize money and be really really in the s**t.
Its horrible to have to think like that but the sad reality is that given the choice of 4th or cup and bottom half finish, i'd take 4th because we couldn't afford to be a bottom half team.
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