Romelu Lukaku

ilikecheese · November 23, 2015

Seamus Colemole said:
I don't agree with that at all.

It might be true in terms of how people view players these days but it shouldn't do.

A good player is a good player and should be judged on their ability, and there are numerous other factors that take into account why they wouldn't have won something or played at a higher level than they do other than their ability.

I'm not saying it's right...but I do believe it to be somewhat factual. Duncan Ferguson will always be held in higher regard than say Tim Cahill.

ilikecheese · November 23, 2015

bluerobert said:
Ibrahimovic has never won a Champions Leage

He's competed in it.

bluerobert · November 23, 2015

ilikecheese said:
He's competed in it.

You were to quick to reply, I edited my post haha

ilikecheese · November 23, 2015

Prevenger17 said:
Messi has never won the World Cup because he's crap.

Agreed.

Never proved he could do it on a cold night in Stoke.

ArtetaMoney · November 23, 2015

The Cowboy said:
Quick question, and not that it really matters, but is it 'Romma-Lou' or 'Roh-MEH-loo'? MOTD guy said it the 2nd way, but I have always gone with the former.

It's Romalooo lookookooo mate

ilikecheese · November 23, 2015

bluerobert said:
You were to quick to reply, I edited my post haha

I see that. But he's also got a boat load of other trophies and has played at huge clubs.

Seamus Colemole · November 23, 2015

ilikecheese said:
I'm not saying it's right...but I do believe it to be somewhat factual. Duncan Ferguson will always be held in higher regard than say Tim Cahill.

In terms of the overall package, maybe.

But in terms of who was the better player, the fact Ferguson won an FA cup here and Cahill doesn't has no bearing whatsoever.

He might be more popular, he might be more fondly remembered, but it doesn't mean he was a better player than Cahill just because he won a trophy.

ilikecheese · November 23, 2015

Seamus Colemole said:
In terms of the overall package, maybe.

But in terms of who was the better player, the fact Ferguson won an FA cup here and Cahill doesn't has no bearing whatsoever.

He might be more popular, he might be more fondly remembered, but it doesn't mean he was a better player than Cahill just because he won a trophy.

Most would view Ferguson as a club legend. Some will view Tim that way...but largely just viewed as a step below legend status.

mrb85 · November 23, 2015

There's a big difference between who the fans think are great players and who the media does. One of the best examples in recent decades was Le Tissier. Most who saw him live or watched his performances on TV would call him a great. The media thought highly of him too but because Soton won nothing and because he won few international caps they never regarded him as a true great.

Caolam · November 23, 2015

Matt Le Tissier is a good example of a great player. He is much better than many players who have won trophies.

Are Messi and Ronaldo lesser players because they have never won the won cup, would George Best have been better if he had not have been born in Northern Ireland and played for a Country that qualified for a World Cup Finals.

Nymzee · November 24, 2015

ilikecheese said:
He's competed in it.

So has Lukaku. Well... qualification.

bobafro · November 24, 2015

47 goal in 97 games... what a hero.

toffeejack · November 24, 2015

ilikecheese said:
I understand what you are getting at, but at the end of the day, if a player is not playing CL football and winning things, they will never be viewed as 'great'.

Had Baines gone to United he would have been viewed as the best LB in the league hands down IMO. I don't think he's ever held that stature here.

it's a team sport though. you can't base a player's greatness on honours alone in my opinion. look at how many trophies someone like phill neville won - yet people have him in a worst england XI and such.