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Ronald Koeman discussion

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You know, one positive thing about Koeman is that he's not afraid to switch it up at a moment's notice. Twice in recent memory he's fielded notably bizarre combinations (Arsenal, Leicester) and twice he's achieved results. At this relative infancy of his tenure, it's a brave and logical thing to do. Just wish he'd apply the same logic to Lukaku as he does with other players and bench/move him when he's clearly underperforming
That's our current top scorer, on pace for more than 20 league goals this season despite playing in front of a midfield being carried ENTIRELY by Idrissa Gana Gueye? LOL at your definition of underperforming.
 
Finished 11th last two season's, currently 7th when all the top 6 are firing - what more do people want when we still have such a daft squad and Koeman (And Walsh) haven't had much time to bring in fresh talent.

Along with Moshiri paying off our debts, getting a new stadium and finishing off the Chang deal, we're setting a nice platform to achieve bigger things but everyone needs to be patient.

This isn't just accepting mediocrity like the Moyes era.
 

There's a good video about what we are doing to try and close the same gap. It's tough but for us it largely comes down to getting through this transitional period and into the new stadium. Match-day income really can make a large difference, as well as the sponsorship deals that come with it all. Much of this video is relevant for Everton as well I would imagine as you will need to find a way to do something similar.



All young players signed / developed who played last night;

Rose
Walker
Dier
Alli
Kane
Winks (sub)

Thats half a team there.

This allows you to spend on the other half of the team to compliment these guys.

I hope that over the next 2 seasons we can also bring through a handful of players which allows us to spend big on the others.

Currently, we have Holgate, Barkley Calvert-Lewin and Davies who should be there or thereabouts and with Lookman signing in Jan + a couple of others to come through we may be able to do so.
 
All young players signed / developed who played last night;

Rose
Walker
Dier
Alli
Kane
Winks (sub)

Thats half a team there.

This allows you to spend on the other half of the team to compliment these guys.

I hope that over the next 2 seasons we can also bring through a handful of players which allows us to spend big on the others.

Currently, we have Holgate, Barkley Calvert-Lewin and Davies who should be there or thereabouts and with Lookman signing in Jan + a couple of others to come through we may be able to do so.

Barkley, Coleman, Davies, Holgate, Lookman (if signed). We are not that behind.
 
Barkley, Coleman, Davies, Holgate, Lookman (if signed). We are not that behind.

Currently;
Barkley
Coleman (forgot him)
Holgate
Davies
Lookman (if signed))
Galloway (next season)
Calvert-Lewin (getting mins)

Hopefully
Kenny
Walsh
Connolly
Dowell

At least in the squad of 25 that would be impressive. Bar the 3 keepers for a squad, thats half of it.
 
Currently;
Barkley
Coleman (forgot him)
Holgate
Davies
Lookman (if signed))

Galloway (next season)
Calvert-Lewin (getting mins)

Hopefully
Kenny
Walsh
Connolly
Dowell

At least in the squad of 25 that would be impressive. Bar the 3 keepers for a squad, thats half of it.

Think the 5 will get regular gametime next season. We will fill the other squad places with incoming new players in particular attacking options. Galloway and CL will be loaned out.

The remaining youth players I have no idea whether they will make the step up.
 
Fair point , but by now I feel we should be seeing seeds of optimism like we did in RM first season
And what good did all those seeds of optimism do for Martinez after his first season Joey? We need honesty and practical management at the club right now, not flowery speeches and propaganda. I've seen enough to be optimistic about the future of the club under Koeman, it might be a painful season but we'll be in a much better position at the end of it then we we're last season.
 

And what good did all those seeds of optimism do for Martinez after his first season Joey? We need honesty and practical management at the club right now, not flowery speeches and propaganda. I've seen enough to be optimistic about the future of the club under Koeman, it might be a painful season but we'll be in a much better position at the end of it then we we're last season.
I hope to share your optimism - that first half v leicester was as bad as I have seen - we have not seen a full 90 minute performance of quality as yet - RM first season had its faults we may have got a top 4 position - bad defending and keeping cost us that -lets see what RK can do then!
 
Finished 11th last two season's, currently 7th when all the top 6 are firing - what more do people want when we still have such a daft squad and Koeman (And Walsh) haven't had much time to bring in fresh talent.

Along with Moshiri paying off our debts, getting a new stadium and finishing off the Chang deal, we're setting a nice platform to achieve bigger things but everyone needs to be patient.

This isn't just accepting mediocrity like the Moyes era.

Uh. That was great until the body punch at the end!

I feel compelled to check... do you mean the football was mediocre or Moyes achievements?

IMHO, Moyes was brilliant. League position, cash, transfers, Europe, FA Cup Semi & Final - everything was up. I do accept (especially as I'm a WOOL) that his demeanour and way of talking about Everton re money and 'size of club' was unnecessarily dour at times, especially to Everton generations who know what a massive club Everton is - long before David Moyes joined. For the record, I think he's made similar gaffs re: money and whining about Utd still during his tenure at Sunderland. Comes across as a bit of a chip on the shoulder which is a shame - he doesn't need to give context to how well he's done.

But personally I've never enjoyed watching Everton more than the fight, team ethics and skill on display from overlooked and under-rated players (Yak, Piennar, Coleman, Unsworth, Yobo, Lescott, Cahill, Arteta, BD etc), when he had us socking it to the best of 'em. Big Dunc 1-0. Thank you David. And for the bank balance, European nights, and respect of other fans who wanted a proper 'British team' to support (mgt, ethics, ownership - not a merry go round of mercenary agent/ mgt fodder). Our international players loved the club - and were part of an XI that pretty upset the money apple cart every year you were here. What everyone loved about Leicester in 2015-2016 Moyes pretty much did year in and out for us, just a shame no trophy but things could have been A LOT WORSE!
 
I hope to share your optimism - that first half v leicester was as bad as I have seen - we have not seen a full 90 minute performance of quality as yet - RM first season had its faults we may have got a top 4 position - bad defending and keeping cost us that -lets see what RK can do then!
But comparing Koeman'a first season and Martinez is comparing apples and oranges. Everything was different. Martinez inherited a decent side in a good place who knew their business and knew how to defend. Martinez took all that and made us play different then we had in years. It shocked people who thought they knew how we played but it became less and less effective once people figured us out. In any event it all fell off cliff in the second season didn't it? Koeman has inherited a poor side that is a combination of player's who are either past it or never had it to begin with. It's not all about one season in isolation anyway, it's about were we are in two or three years. I'm taking the long term view here. If we're still playing like this next season and struggling I'll agree with you but right now we're 7th and winning ugly and that's enough for me right now. I'd rather we won playing ugly then play phenomenal football and lose. In your point over Leicester, come on mate it really wasn't that bad. You think the first half vs Leicester this season was worse then last season?! Or any of the abominations we've seen for the last two years?!
 
But comparing Koeman'a first season and Martinez is comparing apples and oranges. Everything was different. Martinez inherited a decent side in a good place who knew their business and knew how to defend. Martinez took all that and made us play different then we had in years. It shocked people who thought they knew how we played but it became less and less effective once people figured us out. In any event it all fell off cliff in the second season didn't it? Koeman has inherited a poor side that is a combination of player's who are either past it or never had it to begin with. It's not all about one season in isolation anyway, it's about were we are in two or three years. I'm taking the long term view here. If we're still playing like this next season and struggling I'll agree with you but right now we're 7th and winning ugly and that's enough for me right now. I'd rather we won playing ugly then play phenomenal football and lose. In your point over Leicester, come on mate it really wasn't that bad. You think the first half vs Leicester this season was worse then last season?! Or any of the abominations we've seen for the last two years?!
It is hard to compare, but RK will have to come far better imo his team selections are baffling not just me imo
Let's see, we need to off load a lot of deadwood players for him to rebuild, Stones we had cover for, midfield and strikers is where we are lacking - also buying the Stek has now took a turn of medorocraty - another keeper is needed with the hope Robles can or may come good or not we did have a net spend in summer signings with just using the Stones money!
It's still sell to buy TBF to him so far but Saturdays first half was very poor the worse I have seen v a weakened Leicester side!
 

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