Ronald Koeman discussion

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MoutsGoat said:
Yes, im totally convinced and im fully onboard of the style he wishes to implement.

A style which will become clear when he gets in the players he needs.
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I've watched his time at Feyenoord, S'ton and 5 months here: it doesn't deviate. It's direct. It uses a lot of long ball. It relies on wingers to carry the fight charging downfield into space from a long ball. It is bodies behind the ball.

THAT is the method. It wont deviate. It may or may not get results, but it most definitely is BASIC.
 

davek said:
I do. But I'm not having the kid gloves treatment on a manager feted as a great one and with the resources at hand to prove it...and he's doing the exact opposite.

Hand on heart: I wanted Koeman in the summer - now I wished we'd gone for a chance on Flavre, currently tearing up the French league.
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Wow ..the great French league....Unbelievable comparison with the prem...
 
davek said:
I've watched his time at Feyenoord, S'ton and 5 months here: it doesn't deviate. It's direct. It uses a lot of long ball. It relies on wingers to carry the fight charging downfield into space from a long ball. It is bodies behind the ball.

THAT is the method. It wont deviate. It may or may not get results, but it most definitely is BASIC.
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Two wingers, pace, target man/men, defensively solid and organised, sounds all right to me.
 
davek said:
I've watched his time at Feyenoord, S'ton and 5 months here: it doesn't deviate. It's direct. It uses a lot of long ball. It relies on wingers to carry the fight charging downfield into space from a long ball. It is bodies behind the ball.

THAT is the method. It wont deviate. It may or may not get results, but it most definitely is BASIC.
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on your own dalek....
 

allen said:
Koeman is a pragmatic manager. He wants results now, regardless of the performances necessary to achieve them. He's doing what it takes to tread water, until he has the team he wants.

Martinez, for all his idealism on how the game should be played, didn't know how to organise a team to achieve it. And he stubbornly refused to adapt.

You have to respect pragmatism in a manager. No manager has ever had success with idealism alone.
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Disagree. A pragmatic manager comes in here and sees that the players he has doesn't suit the method he deploys, and then adapts his method until such a point he has the personnel for his brand of "football".

We were promised a pragmatist but got a high priest of the long ball game who has sacrificed any attacking play for the sake of eking out a few points.
 
"We’d like to improve and to make the team stronger and then finally you go for the best players"

Great to hear him speaking about ambition and expectations to eventually go for the best players. But ok, this if football, to get there we need to gradually improve via players from the tier below.
 
davek said:
Have a look at the table mate, there's some low hanging fruit there that could easily be plucked. Arsenal on 37, Spurs on 36 and United on 33...and we sit in a 'division' below it all with the other no marks.
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Fair enough, but so we have over the past 30 months. If you don't rate his signings and we're critical of the players during the latter stages of Martinez' tenure, how can you expect that much in Koeman's first 18 games?

For the record, with much a lesser squad in terms of quality (IMHO) he's gained same points total from 18 games as Klopp and only 1 less than Pochettino at Spurs from 18 games.

For me these take time, but you're right the football isn't the best, first half on Sunday was woeful, but if Gueye had scored that chance in the 2nd half that was on the back of a 20+ pass move, so it's there and maybe things are turning.

Never forget, we are almost at the 2 year anniversary of this



A game during a 4 match losing run, one where he didn't even make a sub.

Is it great now? Hell no.

Has it been worse? You bet.

Yet you still found time to support. Give the fella a chance and that isn't done in 18 matches.
 

davek said:
Disagree. A pragmatic manager comes in here and sees that the players he has doesn't suit the method he deploys, and then adapts his method until such a point he has the personnel for his brand of "football".

We were promised a pragmatist but got a high priest of the long ball game who has sacrificed any attacking play for the sake of eking out a few points.
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Well we all have to reserve judgement, don't we?

If we are playing better football when he has the players he wants, and if our league finish is better than last season, then that vindicates his early approach, doesn't it?
 
roydo said:
Two wingers, pace, target man/men, defensively solid and organised, sounds all right to me.
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Defensively solid. Is that what you see mate? I see a Keystone Cops defence, as per.

I agree he like the big target man. That's why Lukaku staying is just nonsense. He'll be out and a Pelle type will be in.

We will be bland and basic and we'll be 7th or 8th.

Great. All hail the new dawn.
 
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ianefc said:
Fair enough, but so we have over the past 30 months. If you don't rate his signings and we're critical of the players during the latter stages of Martinez' tenure, how can you expect that much in Koeman's first 18 games?

For the record, with much a lesser squad in terms of quality (IMHO) he's gained same points total from 18 games as Klopp and only 1 less than Pochettino at Spurs from 18 games.

For me these take time, but you're right the football isn't the best, first half on Sunday was woeful, but if Gueye had scored that chance in the 2nd half that was on the back of a 20+ pass move, so it's there and maybe things are turning.

Never forget, we are almost at the 2 year anniversary of this



A game during a 4 match losing run, one where he didn't even make a sub.

Is it great now? Hell no.

Has it been worse? You bet.

Yet you still found time to support. Give the fella a chance and that isn't done in 18 matches.
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Antolin Alcaraz. What a player.
 
allen said:
Well we all have to reserve judgement, don't we?

If we are playing better football when he has the players he wants, and if our league finish is better than last season, then that vindicates his early approach, doesn't it?
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If it happens yes. I'm talking here in the present tense. That's all we can do. On that basis it's muck so far. Why deny it and sugar coat and talk of jam tomorrow? Just analyse what there is right now as evidence and you have to agree we are a basket case as a football team. Banging the ball 80 yards down the field for goals against tripe teams.
 

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