Ronald Koeman discussion

nsno-chris · December 30, 2016

It's good to see some fans constant posting habits when we don't win. Rejoicing almost

:bye:

Bulgarian toffee · December 30, 2016

Lots of things that I don't agree with here.
Our players being "horrendous" - well, tell that to Howe, Mazzari, Moyes, Whelan etc. I think that the players are not bad at all. They just need clear instructions and guidance as of how exactly we should play against different opponents. Plus, they need help when the things are not going our way. Take today's game for instance. Barry's substitution was at least 5 mins too late, as our midfield had been overrun for at least 10 mins. prior to their second goal.
"Koeman out" shouts? Absolutely ridiculous! I am convinced that he is a far better manager than Martinez and he will prove that. He needs time. However, I expect him to immediately address our two main problems - the lack of energy and the lack of ideas upfront. I suppose that we will see signs of improvement come March. At this moment, I am concerned that he obviously can't get the best from what he has - something that the likes of Conte, Mourinho, Pochetino or Klopp are doing very well.
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Dirty Dutch · December 30, 2016

Toffee-nerd said:
Lukaku would, a confident Barkley would, Coleman would be close, gueye yeah. Centre backs no chance, nor keeper. But my point stands if koemen was getting the best out of his players then I do think we are close to teams like spurs. He's not getting the best out of anyone though. That's fundamentally what his role is, I don't get the excuse of its not his squad. If he can't manage the squad then what kind of manager is he? He should be able to extract better performances and results from what he's got, the players are perfectly capable of more than this. Yes some of the responsibility lies with the players but the manager needs to get things right from the off, putting out the best possible Everton 11 playing to our best formation.

Lukaku is still playing the majority of games with his back to goal. Barry still starting games! Cleverly on the wing for a good period of the season when he's got mirallas and delofeu on the bench. Now he starts mirallas and he looks a threat. He's not helping himself, same as Martinez wasn't. Completely different styles of management bit equally underperforming.

Close to teams like spurs, are you having a laugh???? 3/4 of this team is not good enough, wake up please.

Goat · December 30, 2016

davek said:
The same players that got us a record PL points total are all still there, but laughing boy can't get a tune out of them and has them hoofing it into the sky.

They arent all still there, Pienaar and Osman, the 2 most important players have gone.

:coffee:

The 72 points was built on that backbone.

tadao · December 30, 2016

davek said:
He did, and it was into the mixer. Barkley was covered by two Hull players and it was never one that was meant as a pinpoint cross for him. Don't get me wrong: decent cross, just not one worth going into raptures over. I'm actually amazed these days when Baines beats the first defender with a cross.

I have 'issues', with some of his defensive play, sometimes. You're being harsh however, especially when you consider that you said (I sort of semi-agree with), all he had to do was sort out the defence and we'd be good?

DrEFC · December 30, 2016

davek said:
"Corrects things". There was ONE THING he needed to correct: the shape and organisation of the back four. That was it - just that. The rest was working.

He comes in and the back four are even more clueless and lacking in mobility.

Last season, we weren't really any good in attack neither, Dave. Still enjoying watching us more this year, but very frustrated by his personnel selection, when the youngsters have been shaming the hasbeens.

Rollo Tomassi · December 30, 2016

balggy said:
When you aren't playing well, the basics are fight and team spirit. Getting beaten twice and we come away with a point. Should have won it with the late chance but we move on. It's very early stages of Ronald's reign. I just don't get the negativity.

I can understand it as the style of play is plain awful when the results are poor and the football is even worse then people will not be happy.

Wat Tyler · December 30, 2016

DerbyshireAndHarper said:
He's a kid delighted to be getting game time!

Do you know who's 'not for me'? Seasoned pros making awful mistakes like Jagielka, people like Barry who are finished, Lukaku who had another game where he went missing, Valencia who did absolutely nothing, and Robles who couldn't keep a clean sheet in a monastery.

Still, lets pick on a 21 year old kid who came on as a sub and decide he's somehow 'not good enough' because he grinned after missing a chance.

Agree with pretty much all of it, but calvert lewin is not some 15 year old still doing his GCSE's, he is a professional footballer who we have paid a decent sum for, he missed a chance which was harder to miss, and wasn't arsed about it. The lad is 21, he has been playing professionally for a couple of years, don't be grinning About that miss when we have 3,500 fans still travelling home as I moan.

But yes, the rest of the side have a lot to explain.

davek · December 30, 2016

Koeman tweet bingo:

I'm going for....

@HullCity vs @Everton #EFC

No easy games in the Premier League. Another great point for the travelling fans to enjoy.

10.30 pm 30 Dec 2016

Dirty Dutch · December 30, 2016

Bulgarian toffee said:
Lots of things that I don't agree with here.
Our players being "horrendous" - well, tell that to Howe, Mazzari, Moyes, Whelan etc. I think that the players are not bad at all. They just need clear instructions and guidance as of how exactly we should play against different opponents. Plus, they need help when the things are not going our way. Take today's game for instance. Barry's substitution was at least 5 mins too late, as our midfield had been overrun for at least 10 mins. prior to their second goal.
"Koeman out" shouts? Absolutely ridiculous! I am convinced that he is a far better manager than Martinez and he will prove that. He needs time. However, I expect him to immediately address our two main problems - the lack of energy and the lack of ideas upfront. I suppose that we will see signs of improvement come March. At this moment, I am concerned that he obviously can't get the best from what he has - something that the likes of Conte, Mourinho, Pochetino or Klopp are doing very well.
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We're 7th, finishing higher is impossible. And how can you compare him with managers who have far better players???

tsubaki · December 30, 2016

Dirty Dutch said:
Cant get the best out of them??? We're 7th, finish higher is impossible. And how can you compare him with managers who have far better players???

Koeman has far better players not in the starting xi / not in the squad

Blue Cheese · December 30, 2016

For your own good Ronny leave jags out, he's havin a mare of a season

davek · December 30, 2016

DrEFC said:
Last season, we weren't really any good in attack neither, Dave. Still enjoying watching us more this year, but very frustrated by his personnel selection, when the youngsters have been shaming the hasbeens.

Mate, how on earth do you enjoy watching the pigswill Koeman is serving up?

As an Evertonian I'm embarrassed this feller is having us play like this.

Typical of us, we get the one Dutch manager who's totally 'kin clueless on tactics and technical play.

nsno-chris · December 30, 2016

davek said:
Koeman tweet bingo:

I'm going for....

@HullCity vs @Everton #EFC

No easy games in the Premier League. Another great point for the travelling fans to enjoy.

10.30 pm 30 Dec 2016

Yes ok, this is football. But if that absolute donkey of a previous manager hadn't left me with a pile of steaming white dog [Poor language removed] we may be better. Yes ok, we have the January window and I'll be shipping out the majority of el fraudos squad and replacing them with players who have heart

It's a long shot, but come on Ron say it