Ronald Koeman discussion

[tommye]

imagine being so turd at life that all you had to do for entertainment was go on a fan forum and try to be controversial after a comfortable 3-0 victory

Imagine being so turd you come on the same forum to wait for him to do so....

 

[The Rhino]

Look, after 6 months here an assessment of his overall performance and what we can expect is legitimate. IMO he is a manager that doesn't have a lot of smarts. He wants athleticism and pace and sometimes that serves you well, as it has some teams in the past. But I see no ability to craft a creative blend of players and a brand of football that can be turned to when playing long balls dont engineer chances.

That's my assessment thus far. If the evidence changes then so too will my opinion.[/QUOTE]

His Southampton team played some fantastic football, their fans have said as much that under Puel they play much more defensively. He needs time to bring in his own players before we can judge properly.

If he gets that Schneiderlein type enforcer, a VVD like CB and 1-2 quality wingers with one actually being creative and able to make a killer ball we'll be miles better. Outside of the top 6 this was always going to be a season of transition and 7th was always going to realistically be the target considering Southampton, Stoke, West Ham and Leicester all looked miles ahead of us last season.

We just need to pray Utd win the League Cup and ourselves or a top 6 side the FA Cup and we can sneak into the EL via 7th.

 

[MikeH72]

Replacement for Martinez ?

Turn it in Dave you were advocating that we keep Martinez and RK was not what we need.

Koeman was his "choice" because he was convinced we were getting Frank de Boer and couldn't wait to stick the knife in him and twist it.

 

[davek]

We're seventh, on thirty points with just over half the season over.

That's by no means an outstanding achievement, but it's not awful either.

Doubtless in what's left of the season we'll hit another bad patch and the knives will be out, but Koeman's doing a reasonable job.

In the next eighteen months he needs to show that he can move us on a little from our current league position and do that while improving the quality of what we see on the pitch, which isn't wonderful at the moment, but tis early days.

If he does that, then no reasonable Evertonian can complain.

I agree. That would represent progress.

Apparently if that's put forward by others though it cant be tolerated.

 

[Blues Harp]

There's a few keyboard warriors on here other than @davek though!

name and shame mate !! lollol

 

[Kurt.]

There is no game mate. I'm offering a reasonable overview of the way today's match panned out and my thoughts on the manager's chances here based on over half a season's worth of evidence.

Sorry mate, I ain't playing. God luck to you though.

 

[Joey66]

name and shame mate !! lollol

The list is that long , and I might be on it toolol

 

[wainy]

With us: one top 5 and two midtable places. I dont see Koeman eclipsing that all told, tbh. Probably he'll get us three solid (7th/8th) finishes and get off.

That's just all complete conjecture though. I'd rather he made us a solid top 7 team again with a solid base to move forward, rather than have a flash in the pan season then absolutely destroy the base that team was built on.

 

[roydo]

There is no game mate. I'm offering a reasonable overview of the way today's match panned out and my thoughts on the manager's chances here based on over half a season's worth of evidence.

Thats fair enough. My assessment, like anyone gives a hoot anyrate, is that he had a rubbish Summer window, (dont think many would disagree), the squad was unfit, and undisciplined. (Again, not sure many would disagree).

He/We got 2 important players in, but again, at the time, no one celebrated either signings really. His biggest signing divides opinion, but is now out for the season, so file under "Meh".

I aint an expert, but I have seen him switch formations, be hit and miss on subs, (largely hit imo), seems to be getting a tune out of Ross, and today started with 2 youngsters, one of which went off injured, early, the other who is a realistic choice for MOTM.

His loan signing did ok. (But one swallow and all that applies to all of the last 2 paras).

Despite some claiming Hoofball, it aint. We have played some great stuff, mixed with some more "pragmatic" footie, when needed.

And we are 7th. Behind clubs with wage bills and spending way above ours.

In 6 months.

Not sure what some expect sometimes.

 

[Woolly Blue]

I agree. That would represent progress.

Apparently if that's put forward by others though it cant be tolerated.

That's because I have an undeserved reputation for being balanced and have the respect of my fellow posters mate.

 

[davek]

Thats fair enough. My assessment, like anyone gives a hoot anyrate, is that he had a rubbish Summer window, (dont think many would disagree), the squad was unfit, and undisciplined. (Again, not sure many would disagree).

He/We got 2 important players in, but again, at the time, no one celebrated either signings really. His biggest signing divides opinion, but is now out for the season, so file under "Meh".

I aint an expert, but I have seen him switch formations, be hit and miss on subs, (largely hit imo), seems to be getting a tune out of Ross, and today started with 2 youngsters, one of which went off injured, early, the other who is a realistic choice for MOTM.

His loan signing did ok. (But one swallow and all that applies to all of the last 2 paras).

Despite some claiming Hoofball, it aint. We have played some great stuff, mixed with some more "pragmatic" footie, when needed.

And we are 7th. Behind clubs with wage bills and spending way above ours.

In 6 months.

Not sure what some expect sometimes.

It's acceptable position wise. Only a fool would deny that after wo seasons in the doldrums on that score.

But hand on heart mate, I've seen enough to know what kind of football we have in prospect here and it wont be a success at breaking through any ceiling above us.

 

[davek]

That's because I have an undeserved reputation for being balanced and have the respect of my fellow posters mate.

That must be it.

 

[Woolly Blue]

That must be it.

I like to think so, leave me alone with my delusions !

 

[Blue Cheese]

Imagine being so turd you come on the same forum to wait for him to do so....

Was going to say this. People must wait with baited breath for Dave to post, like a pack of hyenas, pretty sad all be told.

 

[bicycleheader]

Its more or less the half way point and I think he has done okay. Nothing special. I didn't want him and dont expect much from him but he has been fine.

Points total and position is decent and maybe better than many expected at start of the season. Performances have not been good at all from the start of the season up to now. We have had maybe one or two games where we played well for a full game. He has us hoofing it way more than I can handle and we have been utterly dreadful in many games.

The squad is neither the best since the 80s nor is it pathetic, but I personally would hope a good manager can get the best out of what they have whilst waiting to change the squad. I'm not sure he has done so, or at least not so consistently.....performance-wise.

The first step to stabilizing us under Koeman and hopefully pushing onward is this January window and then the summer. It will make or break his time here. I have my concerns about his/Walshs choices if they really wanted Bolasie, but Gana has been superb.

An FA Cup win would be the best that could happen to him and the club right now so I hope he has them right up for the game v Leicester.

5/10