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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Ashtonian said:
So not relegating us is a plus point?

The thing is, give him money and we still would have had the same result. He held himself back not the money, in fact it was a massive marker to how good he was potentially for the fact he always did well on the budgets given to him. But he achieved nothing in 11 years here, that is what the record books will show. So no matter how well he could have done in a theoretical scenario, doesn't change the fact we bottled every big game we ever had under him down to his negative approach to the game.

I mean talk about examples, he went to the champions of england, signed his favourite player from us and signed the player we all clamoured after in the summer so a squad of league winning players plus mata and fellaini and where did he technically finish? 5th 6th? Funny how he achieved the same league position despite the squad being winners.

And the reason he was sacked was because the reigning champions were a little resistant to him telling them to fear the other team
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Where were you last night when my toilet handle snapped?lol
 
Dirty Dutch said:
Better football, better players, better results etc. just grow as a team, try to improve and closing the grap with top 6.

What's this cup obsession with some people? As if we had a good chance to win it.
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We had a great chance to win it last season we just needed to sack Martinez before the semi final and put Unsworth in charge with big Joe backing him up.
 

ianefc said:
You can do what you want with stats. The last full time manager got 21 points from our previous set of 20 league games (not including Norwich) this fella has 30 from the next 20. Id suggest 9 points is significant.
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I can, Yes

I can use stats to prove at this point last season we had 3 less points and we where still in both cup comps
 
I think the comments he made were out of frustration, but he wouldn't have said them if he didn't mean them. Piecing together what we've heard, it seems to me Koeman tells Walsh the style of player he wants, Walsh finds someone he thinks fits that mould and if Koeman agrees it is then left to the board to get him.

Koeman and Walsh have made their list and the board aren't getting them in in a timely fashion. If signings aren't made this January I can see Koeman having a major falling out with the board.

And if you're arguing that he's said it to deflect attention away from him, plenty of managers play this trick. Nothing to see here.

Overall we've been pretty average in the league, hence why we're not challenging further up, but realistically we were never going to be this season. Ok we're out of the cups early, but you get the same amount of silverware whatever stage you get knocked out.

Disagree with those saying the season is over. We have just under half a seasons worth of points to play for. You can't bemoan players and manager lacking in effort/quality if we have nothing to play for and we all know you will.

Still a lot of work to do, interesting January ahead
 

Ernie said:
I can, Yes

I can use stats to prove at this point last season we had 3 less points and we where still in both cup comps
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And at that point Martinez was in no danger of being sacked, what was to come (the stats I talked of) was what lost him his job, 21 points from 20 games. Koeman has 30 from 20.
 

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