Ernie
Player Valuation: £15m
I get that Ian and I respect your point but you also have to look at the flip side of it
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I get that Ian and I respect your point but you also have to look at the flip side of it
blue62
Player Valuation: £5m
If you cast your mind back to just how poor we were second half of last season, with a trajectory that was taking us towards the Championship, then 7th at this stage with only a few additions is not that bad. I'm not trying to gloss things over, but I can't see any reason why Koeman should not be given at least as much time as Martinez. I can live with the indifferent start, he will keep us up (something Martinez looked less capable of) and with money who knows?
Ernie
Player Valuation: £15m
NSNO
kenada_blue
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The squad turned on the manager by Feb. It didnt work. Final straw.
The semi final was the last salvo.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
The comparisons between Koeman supporters and Trump supporters are ceaseless. This obsession with meaningless outward bluster that accomplishes nothing but makes people FEEL better. He's going to clean up the swamp of lazy entitled players!
So this squad is bottom half quality and his masterful motivation skills have boosted the players?
Which players have really noticeably improved?
Some would suggest the fact you can SEE all his motivations is a problem. Public humiliation is not the only tool in the tool kit for a manager.
It's possible he's a coward who says nothing to the player's faces.
It's possible to be a hard arse no nonsense manager without ever conducting any of your hard arse motivation in the public eye.
The fact YOU feel more motivated publicly and YOU prefer Koeman is quite frankly irrelevant.
To YOU. Others feel differently amazingly enough. The players for instance.
YOU can see.
He made sure the team knew it at the start of the season!
Blaming his tools like all great craftsman. The same core finished 5th. Did aging make them less strong? Or in the last two years is *strength* just more important now? Is anything anyone is saying here grounded in an ounce of reality?
*Should* being the word bad managers use to explain why things went wrong.
"Well I did this and then they should have done that."
"No I didn't check if they did it ... because I did the proper thing so they should do the proper thing too!"
"This shouldn't be so over budget."
"This shouldn't be so far past schedule."
Moyes got 7th in his first full season with BK's neg net spend Everton and Martinez got 5th with BK TV money Everton but Koeman cannot be judged on his first season because it's not fair to judge someone on their first full season because it's not enough time to do well ... aside from our last two managers who did it with less resources but because we don't like them we will pretend this somehow is a real thing and also ignore West Ham and Southampton and Chelsea and the RS and all the multiple recent examples of teams doing well with a coach in his first year.
Yeah I agree with that other poster you do sound like a Koeman.
So this squad is bottom half quality and his masterful motivation skills have boosted the players?
Which players have really noticeably improved?
Some would suggest the fact you can SEE all his motivations is a problem. Public humiliation is not the only tool in the tool kit for a manager.
It's possible he's a coward who says nothing to the player's faces.
It's possible to be a hard arse no nonsense manager without ever conducting any of your hard arse motivation in the public eye.
The fact YOU feel more motivated publicly and YOU prefer Koeman is quite frankly irrelevant.
To YOU. Others feel differently amazingly enough. The players for instance.
YOU can see.
He made sure the team knew it at the start of the season!
Blaming his tools like all great craftsman. The same core finished 5th. Did aging make them less strong? Or in the last two years is *strength* just more important now? Is anything anyone is saying here grounded in an ounce of reality?
*Should* being the word bad managers use to explain why things went wrong.
"Well I did this and then they should have done that."
"No I didn't check if they did it ... because I did the proper thing so they should do the proper thing too!"
"This shouldn't be so over budget."
"This shouldn't be so far past schedule."
Moyes got 7th in his first full season with BK's neg net spend Everton and Martinez got 5th with BK TV money Everton but Koeman cannot be judged on his first season because it's not fair to judge someone on their first full season because it's not enough time to do well ... aside from our last two managers who did it with less resources but because we don't like them we will pretend this somehow is a real thing and also ignore West Ham and Southampton and Chelsea and the RS and all the multiple recent examples of teams doing well with a coach in his first year.
Yeah I agree with that other poster you do sound like a Koeman.
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Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg
Banned as requested
Our quest for a trophy such as the domestic cups is still of major significance as it always has been, but significance of the domestic cups themselves are lessening.
The elite clubs know this. Weaker sides, concentration on more competitive competitions - Champions League - Europe league in the latter stages - And of course, the main focus of qualification for these, as well as he most sought after trophy, the league.
We hired a manager because he won the cup.
United let go a manager after winning it.
Chelsea sacked Mourihno because of his poor league performance despite winning it the year before.
Pellegrini was quickly and ruthlessly shipped off despite winning league titles.
Until you're at the final two stages and have a read chance of winning it, the domestic cups are secondary to all other competitions.
Next year, if we qualify, we will have the opportunity to improve our worldwide standing by having a real go at two competitive competitions - the league and hopefully, European football.
The elite clubs know this. Weaker sides, concentration on more competitive competitions - Champions League - Europe league in the latter stages - And of course, the main focus of qualification for these, as well as he most sought after trophy, the league.
We hired a manager because he won the cup.
United let go a manager after winning it.
Chelsea sacked Mourihno because of his poor league performance despite winning it the year before.
Pellegrini was quickly and ruthlessly shipped off despite winning league titles.
Until you're at the final two stages and have a read chance of winning it, the domestic cups are secondary to all other competitions.
Next year, if we qualify, we will have the opportunity to improve our worldwide standing by having a real go at two competitive competitions - the league and hopefully, European football.
What a quote, we got to 2 semi finals last season and were unlucky in both, surely with this new manager a little improvement could of got us a trophy don't you think ?
i didn't expect to go out so early so soon did you ?
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
What about the season before last mate? You know the one were we went out in the opening match of both domestic cups? Or are comparisons only allowed between this season and last season?
Can we please stop saying Martinez got us to two semi finals like it's some massive achievement. We are Everton football club not Wigan and reaching semi finals does not count as an achievement here.
blue62
Player Valuation: £5m
NSNO indeed, maybe a bit of a millstone these days. I'd prefer to live in the present, less painful.
Dirty Dutch
Player Valuation: £1m
He never said things like that so try again.
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
I doubt they'd be any worse off then they currently are if they'd of kept Moyes.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...emier-League-crazy-insists-Ronald-Koeman.html
"Ronald Koeman believes he would be 'crazy' to suggest that Everton can do a Leicester and win the Premier League.
Koeman's side have 13 points after winning four and drawing the other of their opening five league matches, their best start to a campaign since 1978.
Only Pep Guardiola's all-star Manchester City side are above Everton in the table, but Koeman is adamant that the top-flight's other big clubs will come through."
Ernie
Player Valuation: £15m
Ashtonian
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Haha my expert knowledge involives hacksaws and nuts and bolts. That any good to you?
Dirty Dutch
Player Valuation: £1m
West ham did well because of payet who made the difference Liverpool ended 8th in the league last year now thats an achievement! And southampton did well in the first year when Koeman was there so what are you trying to say?? You have to look at the players. If he finishes 7th with this squad he's done a great job.
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