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Ronald Koeman discussion

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I was a bit worried a few weeks ago, but after the Leicester and Southampton wins I'm fairly certain that he's going to pick up points often enough to secure a reasonable league finish.

If things haven't noticeably improved by the end of the next season, then I think there'll be a parting of ways. For me much depends on whether or not he manages to get a few more natural footballers into the side. The amount of heavy touches and sloppy passes on display most weeks is disturbing.
 
I was a bit worried a few weeks ago, but after the Leicester and Southampton wins I'm fairly certain that he's going to pick up points often enough to secure a reasonable league finish.

If things haven't noticeably improved by the end of the next season, then I think there'll be a parting of ways. For me much depends on whether or not he manages to get a few more natural footballers into the side. The amount of heavy touches and sloppy passes on display most weeks is disturbing.
He's going nowhere at the end of this season full stop. This time next year if things haven't improved (presuming he's been given a decent amount of money to invest into the squad) he'll be under considerably more pressure but this season was a write off from the start imo. It was always going to be difficult but the colossal cock-up of the summer transfer window made everything a thousand times worse. After three seasons of total dross from this group of players it's perfectly clear that we need rid ourselves of practically the lot of them. If the choice is between keeping the same players for another season and sacking Koeman or backing Koeman to rid us of these wastes of space players I know which option I prefer. Koeman is the man we need to cull this pathetic squad.
 

As people have indicated last night, for me it's not the comments that are odd, but the timing of them.

There will inevitably be a split of opinions on this now. Some will back Walsh, some Koeman, some both and some neither. From Koemans perspective I can see why Koeman is frustrated. He has joined a club who promised him lots and delivered little in the summer. We didn't get our targets and the squad was left lacking in key areas. He was expected to front this, the new expectation and deliver a side to finish towards the top end of the league.

In Walsh's defence, we did get some players in and it was his first window. At times this season Koeman has under performed, irrespective of who the board did or didn't manage to sign. As a rule the performance have been know better and we went on a winless run which was below expectations. Going out to Leicester and particularly Norwich in the cup will feel the same.

Either way, the time to criticise may have been after the summer window. It does seem very odd, that a week into January, having spent the most money in the league (or close too) having unveiled a player he chooses this moment. For me the Schneiderlin thing is a red herring. Had he been bought he would have struggled to be match fit anyway. Likewise in any negotiations we have, it is only going to make our job harder with that pressure. So I think it's a fair statement, but odd timing.

I think what you saw yesterday from Koeman was enormous anger at losing and perhaps his innermost frustrations that most managers keep hidden being leaked out. Much like the Watford game being an epiphany I feel this one will be too. Some players may well be finished as a result of the performance. This was the game that kept our season alive in any meaningful way.

It also suggests there is a gap, if not a rift between Koeman and those recruiting. How long this can go on for I don't know. I suppose it will depend on how well either improve their performances.

For me I don't want Koeman to leave, but if he were I wouldn't be gutted. He is obviously a good manager and there have been improvements but we are all well aware he is using us to get his next big job. I also think he reluctantly fits into the paradigm of what we are trying to do and what as fans we like to see, as opposed to being a natural fit. We like to see longevity, players being developed and lads from the youth ranks being given opportunities. He does do this, but I feel he does so reluctantly. I don't want him to go, but I don't think he will ever feel as natural a fit as Moyes or Martinez did for most of their tenure.

The only caveat I have to that though is that maybe he is the medicine we require. We didn't win much before. Maybe it's our own values that are the problem, not Koemans?
Totally agree with this i actually think Koeman is performing very very poorly however I also think he is exactly what we need which in itself is paradoxical.

As long as he doesnt burn Barkley & force him out I'm happy to see him stay & see if he can change the mentality.
 
So he was interviewed on Dutch tv this weekend, possibly today, can anyone translate?



Not sure if the video works in the U.K., it won't in the IOM anyway

Actually he's talking very positively about Everton here. Superb club with a great history and an old but superb stadium. It's a fantastic job.

Goes on to say that the modern day players can't take criticism anymore and acceptation levels dropped. Used to be normal in the past that if someone made a mistake he got a telling off by his teammates. Doesn't mean you can't stand that person or think he's a bad player, but you do whatever it takes to win.
 
Actually he's talking very positively about Everton here. Superb club with a great history and an old but superb stadium. It's a fantastic job.

Goes on to say that the modern day players can't take criticism anymore and acceptation levels dropped. Used to be normal in the past that if someone made a mistake he got a telling off by his teammates. Doesn't mean you can't stand that person or think he's a bad player, but you do whatever it takes to win.

Thanks Belg.
 

Actually he's talking very positively about Everton here. Superb club with a great history and an old but superb stadium. It's a fantastic job.

Goes on to say that the modern day players can't take criticism anymore and acceptation levels dropped. Used to be normal in the past that if someone made a mistake he got a telling off by his teammates. Doesn't mean you can't stand that person or think he's a bad player, but you do whatever it takes to win.

Even if its good old Tom Cleverley? :dodgy:
 
Right im over it.We can still salvage the season.What i'd like to see now is a real and sustained effort to put the pressure on the teams in front of us and a derby win at Anfield.Some signings would be nice as well.Koeman has issued the call to arms.It's over to the board now to make sure that the players he needs are delivered asap.
 

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