Ronald Koeman discussion

[degsy]

I'll bet any money that when Koeman leaves our club our average finishing position is higher than Martinez'

Anyone got the bottle to bet?

Stupid bet/statement, said in exaggeration for emphasis - but you knew that.

It's not what position you get at the end of the season - It's how you play getting there...it's about perceptions - you know this as well.

Martinez's 1st season (5th) was perceived as 'good'
His Ave. is 9th
Everton's life time average since 1888 is 9 point something
This makes Martinez average
But on the whole he is perceived as Poor.
Some might say that Moyes was perceived as average
Yet his average of 7.5 says he was better than that.

Using those sort of Averages as a method to gauge success at football is only...how shall I put it, oh yes - Average...

It's about Glory, about how you play, it's about Cups, it's about Vernon and Kay smoking cigars in the mainstand, It's about Kendall Ball and Harvey, It's about a slip at Oxford...It's even about Slippy's slip, that's got to be in there too. Bayern Munich, Rotterdam, It's about N Korea Vs Portugal in 1966.
What it isn't about is 'Kin Averages
*Calms - but you know that too.

Finishing 16th to 7th is not too difficult
6th is a bit harder
5th is a bit harder still

The real hard job is getting 4th

And the even harder job is staying there on a regular basis.

Mid term; at the end of 3 yrs watching this sort of football and only the 7th-ish trophy to show for it, Koeman might have a bit of convincing to do if...IF he is asked 'Do you think your contract should be extended?'...(whether he wants it to be only he will know that)

Long term, which nowadays I and many others, like it or not, take to be 4+yrs, that or the lack of it is what will determine where Koeman is by (in more ways than one) then.

meandered a bit but I got there in the end.

 

[ianefc]

Stupid bet/statement, said in exaggeration for emphasis - but you knew that.

It's not what position you get at the end of the season - It's how you play getting there...it's about perceptions - you know this as well.

No it was not.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Doubt to many of the rest will have spent what Koeman is going to spend.

Correct. Martinez wasted our funds on Cleverley, Alcaraz, Niasse. Everton are rebuilding now, not all Bobby's fault but he put a decent shift in.

 

[nsno-chris]

Oh goody, more knives in the back of our manager

Stay classy

 

[PC Principal]

Oh goody, more knives in the back of our manager

Stay classy

His first season has been pretty unspectacular tbf. I do think he should be given more time though.

 

[ianefc]

Oh goody, more knives in the back of our manager

Stay classy

Exactly

 

[Goat]

Oh goody, more knives in the back of our manager

Stay classy

Its great isnt it, they have all got themselves beat into a little frenzy, but Ronny will unveil Ronnys army soon.

I can hear it now, "But, but he only won the league cos we spent 300m".

Everton, Everton, Everton.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Its great isnt it, they have all got themselves beat into a little frenzy, but Ronny will unveil Ronnys army soon.

I can hear it now, "But, but he only won the league cos we spent 300m".

Everton, Everton, Everton.

Pfft, buying the league, who cares!

 

[Goat]

Pfft, buying the league, who cares!

"but, but".

 

[Amw79]

Looked at some defence stats for Koeman, and thought this was an interesting comparison. We know that Goals against is marginally better than last season, but for a couple of years we've had a serious issue with causing our own problems, and making defensive mistakes.

I think this may be what Koeman saw as the first thing to sort - getting the stupid errors out of our game.

Compare the defensive errors and errors leading to goals stats over last 3 1/2 years.

Now some of that has come from being less risky at the back, and taking less chances on the ball - hence the increase in long balls, which for me is not a tactic in terms of how we intend to attack, but more a consequence of ensuring we don't make the same stupid mistakes at the back and knowing when to clear your lines.

This is still a work in progress, but this change in the type of goal we concede, and not gifting teams goals, is definitely a positive and something to build on.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

"but, but".

I just want to see us win things, playing boss teams in the champions league, the only way we can do it is by spending massive wedges, my conscious is okay with that. Also, I wonder if those Man City fans would go back in time to where they where before the big bucks came and took them over...

 

[sheedys left foot]

Doubt to many of the rest will have spent what Koeman is going to spend.

That's the point though, judge him on performance after he's spent all the money.

 

[DrEFC]

Don't want any whinging if Koeman gets us into Europa. Friggin love our European matches.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Ha ha. FFS how many clubs more than four do you require before you accept the feller can cause murder in an empty house.

Are you actually disputing the fact he's known to cross swords with his own players?

Unreal if you are.

Where do you go from here mate, I mean you have laid bare your utter contempt and disregard for our current managers career and ,perhaps more importantly, his character. You have virtually declared a blood feud . How can any criticism you make now be taken seriously knowing as we do it is set in a spirit of such vitriolic hatred ? You have continually peddled half truths and exaggerated perceived failings to bolster your increasingly biased diatribe. Where is the balance?
Incidentally our mutually preferred managerial appointment, Lucien Favre, has achieved far less than Koeman. How would we have defended that at this stage in the season I wonder ?

 

[Zezti]

Don't want any whinging if Koeman gets us into Europa. Friggin love our European matches.

If we get into Europa, you can bet a certain someone will be bashing Koeman for not getting Champions League instead...