Ronald Koeman discussion

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I see some of the doom brigade setting their top 4 targets for our RonK, readying the knives for any slip.

There's no problem with this really.

However, you see the same people dooming out any Moshi discussions. "We're not going anywhere with this fraud", "Buy to sell" etc.

If we're not going to see any investment in the squad, are we really expecting our manager to have us challenging teams that do?

Any performance targets have to take in to account the level of investment in the playing squad surely? Otherwise, we're just deluding ourselves like the RS and Spurs. Both thinking they SHOULD be winning the league when they don't even spend top four money.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but expecting it is unrealistic.
 

TheCount said:
I see some of the doom brigade setting their top 4 targets for our RonK, readying the knives for any slip.

There's no problem with this really.

However, you see the same people dooming out any Moshi discussions. "We're not going anywhere with this fraud", "Buy to sell" etc.

If we're not going to see any investment in the squad, are we really expecting our manager to have us challenging teams that do?

Any performance targets have to take in to account the level of investment in the playing squad surely? Otherwise, we're just deluding ourselves like the RS and Spurs. Both thinking they SHOULD be winning the league when they don't even spend top four money.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but expecting it is unrealistic.
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...it appears to be led by @MoutsGoat - who is a fanboy.

Not sure how that fits with your analysis here.
 
TrixyStevens said:
Plenty of bottle in us the last few months
The team have grown a bollocks and fight for the points, the passion is back at Everton
Due in large to RK
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We'll only know this when the games matter. As much as I am liking this recent form, Everton winning games that don't matter is nothing new. The only remaining acid tests this season are the Anfield derby and if we get close enough to teams above us that the league games become significant. Winning multiple games on a row knowing that regardless of the score you're not moving up or down from 7th has always been easy for this group of players.

So far this season we've not won away from home at any of the top 6, we lost the Derby, and we lost both cup games. The three most important games of the season so far have all been at Goodison and we lost to a championship side, a relegation struggler, and a Liverpool team who now can't buy a win. The rest of the season in all the games that don't really matter surprise surprise we're unbeaten at Goodison.

This group of players bottle when any pressure whatsoever is on. It's Koeman's biggest task to change that mindset.
 

Saint Domingo said:
We'll only know this when the games matter. As much as I am liking this recent form, Everton winning games that don't matter is nothing new. The only remaining acid tests this season are the Anfield derby and if we get close enough to teams above us that the league games become significant. Winning multiple games on a row knowing that regardless of the score you're not moving up or down from 7th has always been easy for this group of players.

So far this season we've not won away from home at any of the top 6, we lost the Derby, and we lost both cup games. The three most important games of the season so far have all been at Goodison and we lost to a championship side, a relegation struggler, and a Liverpool team who now can't buy a win. The rest of the season in all the games that don't really matter surprise surprise we're unbeaten at Goodison.

This group of players bottle when any pressure whatsoever is on. It's Koeman's biggest task to change that mindset.
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havent we only played city and chelsea away from home? bit harsh to judge on 2 games even if one was a complete embarrassment.
 
davek said:
...it appears to be led by @MoutsGoat - who is a fanboy.

Not sure how that fits with your analysis here.
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My issue isn't with setting targets for the teams performance in 2020.

I just think there is an inconsistency when the out and out doom merchants take this stance:

We aren't going to invest in the squad BUT we HAVE to qualify for the champions league in 3 years or the on-field project is a failure.
 
TheCount said:
My issue isn't with setting targets for the teams performance in 2020.

I just think there is an inconsistency when the out and out doom merchants take this stance:

We aren't going to invest in the squad BUT we HAVE to qualify for the champions league in 3 years or the on-field project is a failure.
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Impossible standards so that in their own head, they can say they were right all along. If the standards are somehow achieved, then the goalposts manoeuvre themselves as and when appropriate. Rinse and repeat, the cat orange guide to being right to strangers on the internet.
 
Saint Domingo said:
We'll only know this when the games matter. As much as I am liking this recent form, Everton winning games that don't matter is nothing new. The only remaining acid tests this season are the Anfield derby and if we get close enough to teams above us that the league games become significant. Winning multiple games on a row knowing that regardless of the score you're not moving up or down from 7th has always been easy for this group of players.

So far this season we've not won away from home at any of the top 6, we lost the Derby, and we lost both cup games. The three most important games of the season so far have all been at Goodison and we lost to a championship side, a relegation struggler, and a Liverpool team who now can't buy a win. The rest of the season in all the games that don't really matter surprise surprise we're unbeaten at Goodison.

This group of players bottle when any pressure whatsoever is on. It's Koeman's biggest task to change that mindset.
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I agree to a certain extent - the games against RS and the good teams will be test our mettle but I think another barometer is how we react to going a goal down or a team clawing us back. I think Koeman's team has done ok in those circumstances so far
 
The biggest and only acid test is where we finish in the league. It is not about certain games or how we perform against certain teams, the only thing that matters is the league position and if we have won a trophy or not.

Currently we are 7th and the second most improved side behind Chelsea. If it finishes like this or we finish higher, the season is an improvement and that can not be argued with. Yes we had two disappointing cup runs but it isn't like we won them last season.

I would happily get every year at Anfield if it meant we won the league. One single game doesn't make a season. In fact, I would take getting beat at Anfield and finishing 4th.
 

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