Ronald Koeman discussion

TheCount · January 26, 2017

mikeh72 said:
Impossible standards so that in their own head, they can say they were right all along. If the standards are somehow achieved, then the goalposts manoeuvre themselves as and when appropriate. Rinse and repeat, the cat orange guide to being right to strangers on the internet.

I don't think its isolated to just one person.

The whole inconsistency doesn't make sense.

I guess people really dislike the new regime. Or maybe scared of being hurt again.

davek · January 26, 2017

TheCount said:
My issue isn't with setting targets for the teams performance in 2020.

I just think there is an inconsistency when the out and out doom merchants take this stance:

We aren't going to invest in the squad BUT we HAVE to qualify for the champions league in 3 years or the on-field project is a failure.

...well it wouldn't be a success, would it?

If we haven't secured a cup by any season three that Koeman sees through then we better be in those top 4 spots, otherwise what's the point of throwing large amounts of money at buying players and handing him £6M per year?

wilfjacko · January 26, 2017

It's that man again

mites · January 26, 2017

TheCount · January 26, 2017

davek said:
...well it wouldn't be a success, would it?

If we haven't secured a cup by any season three that Koeman sees through then we better be in those top 4 spots, otherwise what's the point of throwing large amounts of money at buying players and handing him £6M per year?

You're making my point for me here I think.

If we provide Koeman / Walsh with resources ("throwing large amounts of money at buying players") comparable with the clubs above us then he has to compete with those clubs.

BUT

I've noticed this attitude:

We aren't going to invest in the squad (Mosh is a fraud) BUT we HAVE to qualify for the champions league in 3 years or the on-field project is a failure.

arminisgod · January 26, 2017

Can't say I'm really a fan of him or his football.

But the results lately can't be argued with at all.

MikeH72 · January 26, 2017

arminisgod said:
Can't say I'm really a fan of him or his football.

But the results lately can't be argued with at all.

What type football are you a fan of mate?

Connor · January 26, 2017

Results > Style.

Well done Ronald.

hktoffee · January 26, 2017

arminisgod said:
Can't say I'm really a fan of him or his football.

But the results lately can't be argued with at all.

Why do you care about the style as long as Everton win? Results mean eveything.

davek · January 26, 2017

hktoffee said:
Why do you care about the style as long as Everton win? Results mean eveything.

Because some of us have an eye on the aesthetic side of football. Liverpool won loads in the 70s and they were an appalling team playing sterile football; Leeds of the same period were a bunch of cut-throats - they won though so I suppose that's great.

hktoffee · January 26, 2017

davek said:
Because some of us have an eye on the aesthetic side of football. Liverpool won loads in the 70s and they were an appalling team playing sterile football; Leeds of the same period were a bunch of cut-throats - they won though so I suppose that's great.

There is no such thing as there is no definite answer. If you are an Evertonian, the most definite answer is winning three points every week, it outweighs everything.

davek · January 26, 2017

hktoffee said:
There is no such thing as there is no definite answer. If you are an Evertonian, the most definite answer is winning three points every week, it outweighs everything.

#Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
#School of Science

windymiller · January 26, 2017

hktoffee said:
Why do you care about the style as long as Everton win? Results mean eveything.

Not for everyone. Look at clubs all over binning off managers for not playing the "insert club name" way. West Ham and Man U spring immediately to mind.

hktoffee · January 26, 2017

davek said:
#Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
#School of Science

Again no definite answer and no one straightforward definition.

TrixyStevens · January 26, 2017

Saint Domingo said:
We'll only know this when the games matter. As much as I am liking this recent form, Everton winning games that don't matter is nothing new. The only remaining acid tests this season are the Anfield derby and if we get close enough to teams above us that the league games become significant. Winning multiple games on a row knowing that regardless of the score you're not moving up or down from 7th has always been easy for this group of players.

So far this season we've not won away from home at any of the top 6, we lost the Derby, and we lost both cup games. The three most important games of the season so far have all been at Goodison and we lost to a championship side, a relegation struggler, and a Liverpool team who now can't buy a win. The rest of the season in all the games that don't really matter surprise surprise we're unbeaten at Goodison.

This group of players bottle when any pressure whatsoever is on. It's Koeman's biggest task to change that mindset.

I agree for the most part. The old guard need to be shifted out before we can move on to better things. Bringing in Davies and Holgate was a bold move but ultimately one that's worked. We are still shy of some real winners in the team but maybe these lads along with Lukaku, Barkley and the new signings can show the will to beat anyone in front of us. We are solid in most areas so why not...