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Well...I want a trophy.
Southampton look like they'll get one now he's gone.
Sort it out Ron.
Southampton look like they'll get one now he's gone.
Sort it out Ron.
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ijjysmith
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Ibrahimovic will lirerally destroy Yoshida all over Wembley and I can't wait.
Yeah, I generally agree. Think there's somewhere between, building from the back, and the bit in bold above, and that's were I see us currently.
It's defo better to build from the back, when the situation allows, but as someone pointed out elsewhere, a fullback getting into the opposition half or final third, then turning round and going all the way back, and trying again on the other flank, has a terrible effect on the crowd.
To my eye, we are trying to build from the back, when we've got a bit of time on the ball, but just not doing it on the edge of our 6 yard box, or when a defender is isolated and got 2 attackers pressing them.
My original point though, was that there seems to be a meme that the last few years has been some type of total football, and now this season, although better in terms of points, is a downturn in terms of performance and style.
I'm not buying that, and I don't think people should kid themselves that we were previously playing this amazingly aesthetic style.
Watching Jags and Mori playing 10 yard passes to each other for 10 minutes, is hardly like watching Barca.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Jose is not losing that final.
Deco
Player Valuation: £40m
I don't get the obsession that some have with having to play "good" football instead of focussing on winning.
City are supposed to play the best football and our play and chance creation was miles better than theirs when we played them.
Regardless of how a team plays football, the priority is winning the match. Even then though, I've thought that since the Arsenal game (and including it) we've played some brilliant football even against the negative sides.
Clean sheets, quick attacks and 3 points.
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City are supposed to play the best football and our play and chance creation was miles better than theirs when we played them.
Regardless of how a team plays football, the priority is winning the match. Even then though, I've thought that since the Arsenal game (and including it) we've played some brilliant football even against the negative sides.
Clean sheets, quick attacks and 3 points.
#RonKnows
andy4efc
Player Valuation: £60m
I thought it's been quite balanced personally. We played some incredible football under Martinez, but there was no balance. We sacrificed the ability to defend to play that football. Now we are playing in different ways against different teams which A. Is good for having seperate plans. B. Makes us entirely less predictable and C. It also helps the players with confidence. We played all the way to the 90th minute against Palace and were rewarded for it. The players know the changes that get made will have some effect, and they'll get a chance or two... The old way was play this way.. and if you paly that way for 70mins and do nothing, naturally you are disbelieve by that time and not go for the full 90.
I have to admit, I wasn't sold on Koeman at all, up until that Arsenal game. It wasn't clear what he was trying to do, how he was trying to do it. Now, a month or so later, it's clear. Players are used to it, fitness seems to be massively increased.
My main like is that he at least has more than one plan for a game. In the past month as well we seem to have been a bit more pro-active rather than reactive. Making changes before the classic everton suckerpunch arrives, going on the offensive and being a little more risky at 0-0 rather than as soon as we go a goal down.
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Crunching tackles, lung busting runs, well worked goals. Strip all the superficial stuff away and football is a simple game. Koeman is making it simple but effective.
The goals against City were all special moments. Davies's moment of brilliance, the team goal for the first or Lookman's lucky break. Special moments that have little to do with a preference of how a manager sets his team out.
I think it's often a pointless discussion, as opinions are divided from the start when one side thinks the sport is about winning and trophies and the other side thinks football is about more than that.
Once you differ from that point then it's a bit futile discussing style over results because you are starting from a completely different set of priorities.
I don't think either are wrong and wouldn't think Koeman wrong if he had us doing a Wimbledon revival act, but I still have my own preference.
Again the ball repeatedly going out wide then all the way back to defence is not the tactic though, it's the tactic being implemented poorly and yes it is dull. And as you said earlier lots of factors like player confidence and form affect that. Our movement has been atrocious for much of this and the last two seasons. hOpefully permanently improving right now with fresh faces.
On your point about the meme, you are right but it's not just a problem in that discussion in particular. It's a problem in football discussion in general. There's good and bad from the Martinez years but it's all been boiled down into constantly repeated soundbites. It's being done with Koeman already. Discussion over his reluctance to use youth team players has already become "he used Davies......So you were wrong" or "he should have done it earlier, so I'm still right"...And there's little tolerance of the others point. You'll see sensible reasoned posts get passed over because it's easier for some to jump on some simple post that they don't agree with.
Anyways it's the way of football fans and forums. You could probably already predict some of the Koeman arguments that will come about after he leaves.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £70m
This was my thing. It's not that our team was absolute crap (there were sprinkles of talent in there), but it wasn't the team that Koeman wanted to inherit. He adjusted his style to suit the players (sign of good managing), and our style will continually evolve until he gets the team he wants. At least he has shown the ability to adapt to the situation at hand.
His final record is ridiculous. Won all three league cup finals he's been in and lost one in about 12 finals.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Don't rule out VVD playing mate, reckon saints are dragging out confirming the injury, seeing specialists etc until the Windows closed, then miraculously figure out its only a minor one.
ijjysmith
Calm
I'm sure he will play. But Ibra will focus on ruining Yoshida.
AaronTheBlue
Player Valuation: £60m
Off topic but I used to be a bit meh about zlatan, but then I listened to his book on audible and it really made me like him, he's a proper footballer and a serial winner.
Jamie vardy on the other side is a absolute bell.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
It's a secret code the media use mate in Britain, when they use terms like great football, best team to watch, attractive open attacking play. Etc
It's nearly always used in connection with teams that score lots but have a woeful defence and a soft centre to them, because ultimately what makes a team exciting to watch is for the general Womble watching out there is a team that can be battered themselves or batter and often involved in weird end to end games.
See city this season, arsenal for the last ten years, the rs since Rogers and moreso now etc us under Bobby
Meanwhilst a very high scoring Chelsea team that won the league the other year wasn't labelled like that, they got called professional, workmanlike , methodical etc.
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