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Ronald Koeman discussion

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bizzaro said:
@davek is part of the furniture of GOT. You may not agree with 100% of what he says (I don't on Koeman) however, there is always SOME element of truth in what he says.

For that reason I respect his mad posting skills. Even if I think he's jumping the gun on Koeman.
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What did he say on koeman?
 

Woolly Blue said:
If they were both off the record and being totally honest then both Moshiri and Koeman know that Koeman being head coach is likely to be a stepping stone for both parties.

Most people would accept that Koeman, at the moment, is a good, but not a great manager.

If Koeman makes us competitive again, then he'll have that on his CV and can use it to get his foot in the door of a big European club ( and yes, we should be looked on as a big European club, but we're not ). If he does, then we have a platform to build on and won't be struggling to attract an equal or better replacement in three or four years time.

Ideally, I'd like him to make us competitive, get bitten by the Everton bug and stick around to finish the job off, but realistically he'll be dreaming of Barca or similar.
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I'm looking for more than competitive. That's a very low bar to set.

His targets are, as I see them:

1st season minimum top 7/8.
2nd season European football
3rd season CL football.

If he cant hit those targets then only silverware will save him.

I must have missed the part where we went from getting someone in to replace Martinez in order to get ourselves at the top table to just being 'competitive'. That wasn't in the script at the end of last season, that's for sure.
 
davek said:
I'm looking for more than competitive. That's a very low bar to set.

His targets are, as I see them:

1st season minimum top 7/8.
2nd season European football
3rd season CL football.

If he cant hit those targets then only silverware will save him.

I must have missed the part where we went from getting someone in to replace Martinez in order to get ourselves at the top table to just being 'competitive'. That wasn't in the script at the end of last season, that's for sure.
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We're not far apart.

1 and 2 are what I'd call competitive. There's no reason a club of our size should be struggling to compete at that level.

3 is tougher, and depends on a bit of luck as well as good coaching and sound business decisions being made.

1&2 were also the realistic aims for Martinez btw, but lets not rake that crap up again !
 
dholliday said:
Honestly think most blues are clued-up enough to direct their ire Mosh's way. As I said earlier if the performances are shabby then Ron'll get it, but if we see that results aren't going our way because of lack-of-quality/squad-numbers rather than lack-of-effort/organisation then Koeman will get some leeway. Signs are good that effort & organisation are among his plus-points.

Still, there are reasons why Koeman hasn't always impressed in his previous jobs...here's hoping that was all a learning process on his way to the Premier League.
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I have a very open mind on Koeman. I like him as a manager and he seems a good sort. But his record is patchy. Out of the managers realisticlly linked with us he was the one I'd have gone for due to PL experience.

I'll look on with interest to see how he reacts to being here at Everton. He's not a long ball merchant by trade, he likes to build from deep and go long when no options are available and/or to mix it up. However, he inherits a club that Martinez never fully dragged out of the instinct to go direct immediately the going got tough. There are players there now who's first instinct is to hoof and there's a fair few fans weaned on Moyes' teat who believe shuffling the ball to the halfway line and punting vaguely to a target man outside or just inside the 18 yard box to look for the second ball is a great way to play football.

Koeman needs to fully gain control over players and those supporters who wish to roll the years back to the dark days of punting football.
 

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