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Ronald Koeman discussion

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JLW said:
Which one of the handful of clubs that have the finances to sign Lukaku (65-70m) do you see him playing for next season?
Also RK doesnt need the sale of Lukaku to restructure the team/club, he has a very wealthy Iranian for that...
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If Lukaku really wants a move then he can force it, new contract or not. Don't think he will though, think he'll give Koeman another season.
 
davek said:
I completely agree. Lukaku holds the key and I do believe he's as good as gone...and that is enormous for all the reasons you outline regarding the approach we take to our attacking play and team shape.

No matter how much Koeman likes Lukak - and who wouldnt like a striker who gets him 16 goals and counting - he likes his own way of organisation much more. If a massive fee can be fetched for RL then Koeman will use it to restructure.
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Yep. Play to his strengths whilst he is here. Though I would like him to stay as long as possible.

Reminds me of the Bale situation at Spurs. They are in a better position now and have a much better rounded squad, as before they were top heavy going forward.

Lukaku's contract poses a predicament. Even if he signs a bumper new deal, he could go say next year. It doesn't give us much room to plan, as we want to rebuild now, right away.

I adore Rom, but in terms of our growth would it be better to get a big fee now if he is going to go? The rebuilding would only be delayed if he were to sign a new deal and go next year, unless we really challenged next year and finish in a good position.
 
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
The different systems will require different ventures in the transfer market. If we stick with the current 3-5-2, we will need defensive and wing back cover (Keeper is priority regardless), and we won't see many forwards come in other than squad players.

If we revert to Koeman's 4-3-3, we'll see forwards come in, and if Lukaku does leave sooner rather than later we will see 2 or three striking options akin to what he had at Saints (Long, Pelle, Austin).
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Definitely need wing back cover / competition. RonK loves total football 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 / 2-1-1-3-1-2

“Koeman, in the end, was the man who created the 3-5-2/5-3-2 system that the Dutch national team is likely to use during the World Cup. This system, with two very offensive wing backs, gained Feyenoord victories in difficult away games against FC Groningen and PSV, and eventually second place in the league.”

- http://www.benefoot.net/koeman-gave-feyenoord-its-pride-back/
 
TheCount said:
Definitely need wing back cover / competition. RonK loves total football 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 / 2-1-1-3-1-2

“Koeman, in the end, was the man who created the 3-5-2/5-3-2 system that the Dutch national team is likely to use during the World Cup. This system, with two very offensive wing backs, gained Feyenoord victories in difficult away games against FC Groningen and PSV, and eventually second place in the league.”

- http://www.benefoot.net/koeman-gave-feyenoord-its-pride-back/
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Definitely! We are majorly short in that area. Not sure how long Baines can keep up that role too.

Interesting as well because I was only familiar with Koeman's managerial career at Southampton and not so much before. Did he used the 3 at the back system at Southampton? I thought he favoured 4-3-3.

Perhaps he uses it only when the players are suited to it.
 

davek said:
Yeah, sounds great that, but are you able to deny what's being written if you disagree with it? I doubt it, because that analysis is right on the money. If it isn't the floor is yours....
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The @blupedro post sums up the alternative view point perfectly Dave. I happen to subscribe to his viewpoint rather than yours on this, as you've probably guessed by now.

Suppose we'll have to wait and see which is right.
 
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Definitely! We are majorly short in that area. Not sure how long Baines can keep up that role too.

Interesting as well because I was only familiar with Koeman's managerial career at Southampton and not so much before. Did he used the 3 at the back system at Southampton? I thought he favoured 4-3-3.

Perhaps he uses it only when the players are suited to it.
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Think Bainesy has become a much better defender with age, but it's been at the expense of his attacking prowess. I think he now struggles (compared with Seamus) in the WB role and I'd like to see a specialist brought in.
 
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Definitely! We are majorly short in that area. Not sure how long Baines can keep up that role too.

Interesting as well because I was only familiar with Koeman's managerial career at Southampton and not so much before. Did he used the 3 at the back system at Southampton? I thought he favoured 4-3-3.

Perhaps he uses it only when the players are suited to it.
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He definitely used it at Southampton.

"He went bold with his formation and started playing five at the back. It was either 5-3-2 or 5-2-2-1 or 5-3-1-1. Koeman actually tried it towards the start of the season and they had a bunch of disjointed, frustrating performances."

- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...race-boss-Ronald-Koeman-lead-Saints-four.html
 

Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Yep. Play to his strengths whilst he is here. Though I would like him to stay as long as possible.

Reminds me of the Bale situation at Spurs. They are in a better position now and have a much better rounded squad, as before they were top heavy going forward.

Lukaku's contract poses a predicament. Even if he signs a bumper new deal, he could go say next year. It doesn't give us much room to plan, as we want to rebuild now, right away.

I adore Rom, but in terms of our growth would it be better to get a big fee now if he is going to go? The rebuilding would only be delayed if he were to sign a new deal and go next year, unless we really challenged next year and finish in a good position.
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As you say it's in Rom's court. My personal view is if we don't get a commitment from him to sign a new contract before the summer is out, then we should do our best to cash in on him this coming window. Deffo don't want to but imo we aren't rich enough to let his value drop to much and it would also give us more cash and planning time to get replacements in . Think it's fair to say we're not going to be able to replace him with somebody equally as good, so we're going to have to replace his goals from other positions.
 
TheCount said:
He definitely used it at Southampton.

"He went bold with his formation and started playing five at the back. It was either 5-3-2 or 5-2-2-1 or 5-3-1-1. Koeman actually tried it towards the start of the season and they had a bunch of disjointed, frustrating performances."

- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...race-boss-Ronald-Koeman-lead-Saints-four.html
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Deja vu reading that! Sounds like things were starting to click before he joined us. When he uses the best personel for the system it appears to work.

Rom could be crutial in that working for us should he be with us next season.

Biggest things for me would be full back cover, back up forward, central defender and keeper. Midfield us looking strong.
 
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Yep. Play to his strengths whilst he is here. Though I would like him to stay as long as possible.

Reminds me of the Bale situation at Spurs. They are in a better position now and have a much better rounded squad, as before they were top heavy going forward.

Lukaku's contract poses a predicament. Even if he signs a bumper new deal, he could go say next year. It doesn't give us much room to plan, as we want to rebuild now, right away.

I adore Rom, but in terms of our growth would it be better to get a big fee now if he is going to go? The rebuilding would only be delayed if he were to sign a new deal and go next year, unless we really challenged next year and finish in a good position.
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LOL.

Talking about growth and then selling the leagues top scorer in the same sentence.
 

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