Ronald Koeman discussion

Thomasc · March 12, 2017

Ben Grace said:
The lack of response says all you need to know.

Basically, there is no come back to that.

The simple fact is where we were left we have moved on massively. If you cannot see or admit that, then your a simpleton/kopite

I'm harbouring a guess at both

Thomasc · March 12, 2017

Prevenger17 said:
Yes Thomas, be the hero this thread needs. Don't hold back

Do I get a GOT cape?

jceverton · March 12, 2017

davek said:
I want what's best for Everton. Getting to 7th place is not my idea of "growth" to be honest. It's something that Stoke or West Brom aspire to.

Fair comment, knocked out of both cups early & doing what you would expect in the league. He's doing a decent job, nothing more.

davek · March 12, 2017

roydo said:
Me too. And reckon we are travelling in the right direction. 7th is progress, albeit modest in our recent history, but unlike you, I now see a competent manger at the helm after the false dawn of RM, and that exciting first season/EL adventure.

Just dont get why you gripe at everything Koeman does or says. If it makes you happy, sound.

That's a caricature. I've stated that a decent job is being done now and we're clearly on the up. But that's not enough for many. They want everyone to be like them and prostrate themselves before a manager who's done nothing.

There's a lot of fawning over a manager who clearly wouldn't give a damn about this club if Arsenal came along or some other CL club this summer and raised their skirts to him.

Sorry, I just don't get the praise this feller gets or the loyalty some have to him. He's just another hired hand to me. And if he doesn't get us way up that table next season he WILL be right up against it.

davek · March 12, 2017

Saint Domingo said:
What about 11th mate? Who aspires to that (twice)?

7th / 11th = nowhere, nothing, nada, nix.

GwladysBlue · March 12, 2017

davek said:
That's a caricature. I've stated that a decent job is being done now and we're clearly on the up. But that's not enough for many. They want everyone to be like them and prostrate themselves before a manager who's done nothing.

There's a lot of fawning over a manager who clearly wouldn't give a damn about this club if Arsenal came along or some other CL club this summer and raised their skirts to him.

Sorry, I just don't get the praise this feller gets or the loyalty some have to him. He's just another hired hand to me. And if he doesn't get us way up that table next season he WILL be right up against it.

You could say the same for the majority of people involved in football.

I'm just trying to enjoy the moment. I'm in my twenties and I've never seen us do anything in my life, I now have a little bit of optimism for us going forward.

If you had the chance, would you replace Koeman as manager, and if so, who with?

Ernie · March 12, 2017

davek said:
7th / 11th = nowhere, nothing, nada, nix.

7th gets you European football, 11th doesn't

Thomasc · March 12, 2017

Ernie said:
7th gets you European football, 11th doesn't

Yeah but its a poisoned chalice lad, keep up!

jinkyali · March 12, 2017

davek said:
The point is that THEY couldn't handle the expectation. Not the first time and it won't be the last time. We need a root and branch clear out of the likes of Baines, Mirallas, Jagielka and even players like Coleman if need be.

Wait.
Is it the managers or the players ? You deemed these players good enough and that RK is inferior.

Now it's the players!?

streeky · March 12, 2017

davek said:
I want what's best for Everton. Getting to 7th place is not my idea of "growth" to be honest. It's something that Stoke or West Brom aspire to.

When you look at the 6 teams ahead of us your being totally unrealistic, but you know that already.

davek · March 12, 2017

jceverton said:
Fair comment, knocked out of both cups early & doing what you would expect in the league. He's doing a decent job, nothing more.

That's it mate. Apparently if you speak that truth though you've broken the feel good spell and you suffer the wrath of the Koemonsters.

jinkyali · March 12, 2017

mikeh72 said:
Round and round and round and round and round and round and round and

Still waiting for the powers at be tell me what a high maintenance poster is.

MikeH72 · March 12, 2017

davek said:
That's it mate. Apparently if you speak that truth though you've broken the feel good spell and you suffer the wrath of the Everton fans.

Correct

Thomasc · March 12, 2017

jceverton said:
Fair comment, knocked out of both cups early & doing what you would expect in the league. He's doing a decent job, nothing more.

Actually, bearing in mind the naff pre-season we had due to the problems in the transfer window, added to him having to start the season with half of the uber gash left to him by his predecessor, I would say he is doing rather a splendid job myself.

He has improved the side defensively and offensively in half a season and that is undeniable.

He has offloaded all of the absolute pap left to him and brought kids into the side whom he has given confidence to.

He looks like he has finally able to get the best out of Barkley, who we all wanted to be our talisman but was going nowhere due to two years of being completely mismanaged.

He has installed discipline back into a side that looked an absolute rag-bag outfit, remember Anfield last season and Leicester away? We were the laughing stock and totally all at sea!

So when you weigh it up like that, he is exceeding the expectations bestowed upon him and then some more.