Ronald Koeman discussion

[rochdaleblue]

The fans will be on his side.

The fans will get behind the team. Also I've no doubt they will be cheering the side if lukaku scores, but I can't see many Romelu Lukaku chants aimed solely for the player.

 

[BigDunc'sFod]

You're comparing Baines and what he did with what Lukaku has stated? One goes after a manager who is part of the playing side of the club; the other points the finger at the money men in the non-playing side of the club.

It's called loyalty to your colleagues - and one has it and the other doesn't.

A colleague is a colleague, surely?

FWIW, i was fine with both Baines and Lukaku coming out. If Ron had come out with a polarising statement like Martinez did, I'd say he handled it badly, but he didn't.

 

[davek]

Think his point was if you have two years left on your contract we don't need to sell u til you've got one year left (like Ross).

He gave his assurances to Southampton he wouldn't leave and then left. That's up to him. Not saying he was wrong. Where he is wrong is to ask Lukaku in particular to respect their contract.

 

[davek]

What would you have said if Koeman's comments about Rom had been said by Martinez out of interest?

Both he and Moyes stood and took bullets for Kenwright and I condemned them for it.

 

[roydo]

Where he is wrong is to ask Lukaku in particular to respect their contract.

If he was Jermaine Jenas or any other pundit he might be. But not as manager of Everton, he certainly is not.

 

[roydo]

If he was Jermaine Jenas or any other pundit he might be. But not as manager of Everton, he certainly is not.

That makes no sense.

But you get the drift, I think.

 

[davek]

A colleague is a colleague, surely?

FWIW, i was fine with both Baines and Lukaku coming out. If Ron had come out with a polarising statement like Martinez did, I'd say he handled it badly, but he didn't.

It's more complex for Koeman though: there's a feller who actually stated that if Lukaku stays at Everton he's not making the most of his career...to then go and say he should honour his contract with us is beyond hypocrisy...more especially from a man who walked out on a club 9 months ago.

 

[roydo]

It's more complex for Koeman though: there's a feller who actually stated that if Lukaku stays at Everton he's not making the most of his career...to then go and say he should honour his contract with us is beyond hypocrisy...more especially from a man who walked out on a club 9 months ago.

To be fair, that comment by Koeman was so clumsy it wasnt true!

 

[davek]

To be fair, that comment by Koeman was so clumsy it wasnt true!

Speaks his mind.

 

[ham2]

Off topic but any news on how the premiere went last night, mosh koeman and dunc all went, hopefully they all told Kenwright it was boss and he should ALL of his time producing movies

 

[ianefc]

Speaks his mind.

Take the rough with the smooth.

 

[Lanolin]

And that's the point. His agent has played UTD and Juve to the tune of £14m. He is used to getting his own way, that Pogba deal lasted the whole summer because of Rom's agent. He got his way then, he expected Everton to back down, accept the release fee they wanted and then started work on a Summer move whilst doubling his weekly income. That's not happening, Moshiri realised Everton will get more for him than what they wanted in the contract and can save the club 70k per week in the mean time.

The club deserve tremendous credit and they've been rustled, well and truly.

Well I think we all know some variation on that has happened yeah, although how much of it is some masterstroke by moshiri is up for debate.

To me it just looks like the same sort of bog standard contract issue that's a daily occurrence in the real world as well as football. Both player and club are quite rightly trying to do the best for themselves, and that has led to them being unable to agree a deal. I don't see that anybody is doing anything wrong, it's just one of those things. The club want to insert a release clause that will benefit them rather than the player, the player wants one which benefits him and not the club. One eyed football fans go absolutely crazy and call the player a judas for not wanting to commit himself to their club for the peak years of his career. Nothing new about it.

 

[ianefc]

Well I think we all know some variation on that has happened yeah, although how much of it is some masterstroke by moshiri is up for debate.

To me it just looks like the same sort of bog standard contract issue that's a daily occurrence in the real world as well as football. Both player and club are quite rightly trying to do the best for themselves, and that has led to them being unable to agree a deal. I don't see that anybody is doing anything wrong, it's just one of those things. The club want to insert a release clause that will benefit them rather than the player, the player wants one which benefits him and not the club. One eyed football fans go absolutely crazy and call the player a judas for not wanting to commit himself to their club for the peak years of his career. Nothing new about it.

I'm not saying this is a master stroke by Moshiri, I'm saying he stood firm, the absolute ideal is for Lukaku to stay, he's irreplaceable. A master stroke would suggest Moshiri has had some planning in this. He's faced a world renowned agent who has 'mugged' UTD and Juve off, probably seen Everton as no issue in comparison and has had his fat arse handed to him.

Great stuff.

 

[MikeH72]

Imagine this place if Koeman had come out and said Lukaku was right to reject the contract and deserves to leave to play for a club that can match his ambitions.

 

[rochdaleblue]

To be fair, that comment by Koeman was so clumsy it wasnt true!

Wasn't just clumsy it was downright embarrassing and insulting to EFC at the time. But ok he has got a better handle of what the job entails since.