Ronald Koeman discussion

[PeregrineT]

Didn't play with fear? They bricked it, then they lost discipline. Trying to hobble your opponents with late tackles shouldn't be seen as an act of being brave on a football pitch.

Thats what happens when you get what Davek wants, no Schneiderlin!

 

[PeregrineT]

He should not have said he was happy with anything that occurred on Saturday,poor comment.

Yes, most often a manager shouldnt say they are happy with a poor result. But thats ignoring that managers are managers of humans, and depending on their judge of the mood in the dressing room, they know whether the players need to be torn down, or built up. Its not much different than being a parent, and every once in a while despite your anger over the result of this game, it may be better to build up than to tear down a team after a game.

 

[Amw79]

Gueye and Davies were poor. He could have provided some stability. Schneiderlin was a big miss, but I'd have seen Barry as his natural stand in.

Difficult to say after the fact. Barry was out of his depth against spurs. Now I know the counter to that is quality of opposition midfield, but those 3 Liverpool MFs (decide yourself what the MF stands for), have plenty of running and legs between them to run all over Barry.

You may be right Dave, might have been a different game with GB, but it was hardly an embarrassment of riches to pick that line up on Saturday. After the result you have to say he (Koeman) got it wrong, but not sure the alternatives would have been that much better.

 

[Paul w]

Yes, most often a manager shouldnt say they are happy with a poor result. But thats ignoring that managers are managers of humans, and depending on their judge of the mood in the dressing room, they know whether the players need to be torn down, or built up. Its not much different than being a parent, and every once in a while despite your anger over the result of this game, it may be better to build up than to tear down a team after a game.

Maybe but fans who watched that certainly don't want to hear it,so keep it in the dressing room.

 

[whiteshadow]

Yep.

Tbh, I think if everyone acknowledges that this feller is a Moyes-revisited type of manager, and of that calibre - and he gets 7th for the remainder of his contract whilst not spending massive and the stadium gets built - then it's job done and no complaints.

Too many people have fallen for the 'superstar manager' BS, though. He's not. He's bang average.

Average managers don't have 40% win ratios at unfashionable teams they've managed.

You seem to think we should be able to break the top 6 easily despite us not having invested a fraction of the money they have. I'd put money on it that nearly all the managers of the top 6 clubs would be facing the same problems if they were our manager too. You give a manager below par tools and there's only so much he can do.

Non Evertonians reading this forum must laugh at some of the posts on here. You've got fans expecting us to compete with the top 6 without having the same calibre of player or depth of squad.

The problem isn't our managers ability it's your unrealistic expectations. Give him the resources the big clubs have and he'd get us competing with them.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

This thread makes very little sense with a certain member on ignore. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[davek]

I think Saturday proved we are not all that well catered for in that position, Dave.

Gana hasn't been as good since the African Cup, Davies too young, Barry too slow.

McCarthy and Besic are made of chocolate.

I am starting to think Schneiderlin was a very necessary signing

Compared to other positions it was unnecessary. Look at how exposed we are at RB and LB and upfront.

 

[davek]

Thats what happens when you get what Davek wants, no Schneiderlin!

It'd have been ok if he'd used what CMs he did have available wisely.

 

[davek]

Difficult to say after the fact. Barry was out of his depth against spurs. Now I know the counter to that is quality of opposition midfield, but those 3 Liverpool MFs (decide yourself what the MF stands for), have plenty of running and legs between them to run all over Barry.

You may be right Dave, might have been a different game with GB, but it was hardly an embarrassment of riches to pick that line up on Saturday. After the result you have to say he (Koeman) got it wrong, but not sure the alternatives would have been that much better.

I think the two major ones he hot wrong were elsewhere: given he was going for 3 CBs, not playing Holgate on the right side of it where he's done well before; not going horses for courses and leaving out Mirallas who does well in this fixture.

 

[davek]

Average managers don't have 40% win ratios at unfashionable teams they've managed.

You seem to think we should be able to break the top 6 easily despite us not having invested a fraction of the money they have. I'd put money on it that nearly all the managers of the top 6 clubs would be facing the same problems if they were our manager too. You give a manager below par tools and there's only so much he can do.

Non Evertonians reading this forum must laugh at some of the posts on here. You've got fans expecting us to compete with the top 6 without having the same calibre of player or depth of squad.

The problem isn't our managers ability it's your unrealistic expectations. Give him the resources the big clubs have and he'd get us competing with them.

Oh yeah, competing for top 6 would be an outrageous expectation for a club that's attained it five times in the last decade.

Dont drink the Sky Kool Aid. There is no such thing as 'The Top Six".

 

[MikeH72]

We're much closer to the top 6 than we have been for nearly 3 years. Ronald is improving us, it's quite simply irrefutable. Bow down to his mega ginger bonce.

 

[whiteshadow]

Oh yeah, competing for top 6 would be an outrageous expectation for a club that's attained it five times in the last decade.

Dont drink the Sky Kool Aid. There is no such thing as 'The Top Six".

The point is we shouldn't be doing as well as we do by rights because we don't spend the same money. I hope we challenge them, you expect it. That's the difference.

 

[davek]

The point is we shouldn't be doing as well as we do by rights because we don't spend the same money. I hope we challenge them, you expect it. That's the difference.

Everyone should expect it if we've proven it can be done half the time in the last decade.

 

[Amw79]

I think the two major ones he hot wrong were elsewhere: given he was going for 3 CBs, not playing Holgate on the right side of it where he's done well before; not going horses for courses and leaving out Mirallas who does well in this fixture.

Yeah, when I say got "it" wrong, I mean the set up generally (possibly picked the wrong one from a limited set of options).

Tend to agree on Miralles, think that was off the back of DCL's previous decent showing against Hull. Holgate had been good previously, but had a couple of bad games, and has kept him under wraps a bit since. If he was in the back 3 RK obviously didn't like the options at RWB.

Plenty of blame to go round as per in the derby, both players and manager made mistakes, and underperformed.

Always the way with the RS as well though, their record tells you that they show for the big games. Despite if they tell you otherwise, the derby is a big deal for them.

Their problem is not beating the teams below you'd expect. Ours is not beating the teams above. A bottling the big games attitude Vs a complacency in the not-big games.

 

[Khalekan]

Oh yeah, competing for top 6 would be an outrageous expectation for a club that's attained it five times in the last decade.

Dont drink the Sky Kool Aid. There is no such thing as 'The Top Six".

Amen to that.