Ronald Koeman discussion

[Kev The Rat]

I've said it before but how on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Koeman isn't involved in transfers?

Surely nobody thinks Steve Walsh brought in Martina and Stekelenburg? So if we assume that they were brought in by Koeman, on what basis do we assume that none of the others were? It literally makes no sense.

You can I assume add Schneiderlin and Klaasen to that, and almost certainly Sigurdsson as well.

 

[Lanolin]

well yes, that would help, but does not detract from my original point.

It detracts hugely from your original point. If your original point was x, it would be the equivalent of putting -x next to it.

If he'd scored 10 goals so far the entire internet would have crashed under the weight of our lunatic fringe twitterati goading kopites and happy hammers about how we'd secured the world's greatest ever striker for a pittance. His price would be used as a badge of honour, like it is for Coleman. Everybody loves a bargain. The issue is simply that Sandro looks highly unlikely to get remotely close to Lukaku's tally last year. There's no shame in that, and it doesn't make him a bad player, but it explains why people are saying we didn't replace Lukaku.

 

[Thomasc]

It detracts hugely from your original point. If your original point was x, it would be the equivalent of putting -x next to it.

If he'd scored 10 goals so far the entire internet would have crashed under the weight of our lunatic fringe twitterati goading kopites and happy hammers about how we'd secured the world's greatest ever striker for a pittance. His price would be used as a badge of honour, like it is for Coleman. Everybody loves a bargain. The issue is simply that Sandro looks highly unlikely to get remotely close to Lukaku's tally last year. There's no shame in that, and it doesn't make him a bad player, but it explains why people are saying we didn't replace Lukaku.

Nah

My original point was, people said we didn't sign a CF, we did.

 

[Lanolin]

Nah

My original point was, people said we didn't sign a CF, we did.

I'm not even sure that's true.

He looks more suited to a sort of wing forward role to me. Mirallas had played centrally in Greece but I don't think anyone would class him as a centre forward.

 

[blue61]

Everton are lacking a 'traditional' centre forward who can compete in the air and on the deck (apart from DCL) and hold up play for others to run on. Ramirez is a forward, but not a centre forward, there's a difference.

 

[Brisan123]

I honestly think I could get more points than Martinez final season just by making common sense picks and delegating the training to Unsworth and Ferguson.

Well Martinezs last season is not setting the bar very high
Martinez made some baffling team selections in his last season plus a lot of his substitutions beggared belief

 

[orly]

Well Martinezs last season is not setting the bar very high
Martinez made some baffling team selections in his last season plus a lot of his substitutions beggared belief

Exactly. It's not complicated. Play best players in their best positions, loan out Klaassen, job done.

 

[Brisan123]

Stones did want out, but surely playing under a manager who was the best in his position would have been beneficial? Are you suggesting Koeman and Stones never met?

Say what we wanted about Geri, but he's starting regularly for the best team in the world and did very well in his little cameo at AC Milan. He walks into this team, and Koeman wasn't having any of it.

I agree with Rom completely, just using him as an example.

Stones had made his mind up to go and probably his destination before Bobby was sacked
Geri has been dropped by too many different managers for it to be a coincidence.
Do you honestly believe that Geri is good enough to play alongside Messi and Suarez

 

[Brisan123]

Exactly. It's not complicated. Play best players in their best positions, loan out Klaassen, job done.

Exactly if I was picking first 11
Pickford
Kenny / Coleman
Keane
Williams or Holgate
Baines
Morgan
Gana
Davies
Siggy/Bolassie
Rooney / DCL CF
Sandro
Not rocket science is it.

 

[orly]

Exactly if I was picking first 11
Pickford
Kenny / Coleman
Keane
Williams or Holgate
Baines
Morgan
Gana
Davies
Siggy/Bolassie
Rooney / DCL CF
Sandro
Not rocket science is it.

No Bri that's basically what Koeman has been doing. We need NORMALITY

 

[chippy1722]

You can I assume add Schneiderlin and Klaasen to that, and almost certainly Sigurdsson as well.

I would say Gueye, Lookman and the Henry chap on loan were possibly the type Walsh and the scouting network pickup but the established players must have been more Koemans buys. I would love to know what players they have disagreed on, and what power each has. I would imagine Koeman can veto Walsh's advice on a signing but not vice Versa.

 

[Goat]

Exactly. It's not complicated. Play best players in their best positions, loan out Klaassen, job done.

Loan him to Real?

 

[Brisan123]

Everton are lacking a 'traditional' centre forward who can compete in the air and on the deck (apart from DCL) and hold up play for others to run on. Ramirez is a forward, but not a centre forward, there's a difference.

Well by that criteria so are City and the RS

 

[Brisan123]

I would say Gueye, Lookman and the Henry chap on loan were possibly the type Walsh and the scouting network pickup but the established players must have been more Koemans buys. I would love to know what players they have disagreed on, and what power each has. I would imagine Koeman can veto Walsh's advice on a signing but not vice Versa.

As you did the younger players and the likes of Sandro are Walsh type signings.
Klassen Rooney Keane Pickford Siggy were Koemans signings as well as the obvious CuCu and Steks

 

[toffeeblue9]

I've said it before but how on earth can anyone come to the conclusion that Koeman isn't involved in transfers?

Surely nobody thinks Steve Walsh brought in Martina and Stekelenburg? So if we assume that they were brought in by Koeman, on what basis do we assume that none of the others were? It literally makes no sense.

I agree there's a grey area there

Martina and Stek were/are stopgap signings that were clearly instigated by Koeman

Perhaps for those inexpensive stopgaps Koeman has more leeway, I don't know

If Koeman is in charge of transfers more generally than that (which he and Walsh would say he isn't), what is the point of a DoF?