Ronald Koeman discussion

[orly]

7 points from 9 sounds good to me, might be 10 from 12 by 10pm tonight. but hey if that's not good enough for you then there's no pleasing you.

Genuinely mate I've got the bunting out and if the lad in the GOT videos ever washes that HAFNIA shirt I'll borrow it for the Parade

 

[ianefc]

...and what would YOU say of me if I took that attitude to Koeman without allowing him to show what he can do?

My point is, you're saying that we posters should keep an open mind on Koeman when you didn't with Martinez, it's hypocrisy.

 

[orly]

My point is, you're saying that we posters should keep an open mind on Koeman when you didn't with Martinez, it's hypocricy.

It's not Ian











It's hypocrisy

 

[deipnosophist]

I must have posted it in a different thread mate lol
El Fraudo cost us money up front as well. Dave ( peg leg) Whelan saw Everton coming.
But, on your overall view of El Coco, you and I are on the same page.

But the snake oil salesman is Belgium's issue now... only his furious acolytes/cultists are upset still

 

[ianefc]

Absolutely right David.

Are people honestly that amazed that we drew at home to a Spurs side with one eye on the CL groups, won against a Stoke side that started with Crouch upfront and won against a WBA side managed by a man desperate to be sacked for the happy pay off he'll get? Oh sorry, and Yeovil, a team so awful that Kone scored twice against them.

Three league games. And yet we are awash with GLORY DAYS ARE BACK shouts.

Behave Orls, he never wait for 10 games to make his mind up on Martinez so how can you say he's absolutely right?

 

[Saint Domingo]

^^^ Almost too funny to be true given your track record of giving managers a chance.

Big difference between giving managers a chance and just being right at an early stage because it was so blindingly obvious.

Open minded on Koeman but the early signs for Everton are extremely positive. His CV is impressive considering we were bottom half of the table and not shopping in the Pep Mourinho Ancelloti tier. His work at Southampton is what has made everyone sit up and take notice, improving league position whilst having his whole team stripped from him and a great run of form in the second half of the season all stand out as s manager capable of doing more in this league.

 

[ianefc]

It's not Ian











It's hypocrisy

Apologies and editied, but at least you agree with the sentiment.

 

[Saint Domingo]

7 points from 9 sounds good to me, might be 10 from 12 by 10pm tonight. but hey if that's not good enough for you then there's no pleasing you.

What about the non loss table though mate? Or the two semi finals in one season table?

 

[orly]

Behave Orls, he never wait for 10 games to make his mind up on Martinez so how can you say he's absolutely right?

David is David, I can't speak for him.

But the massaging over of the FAHCTS on here (like net spend, club records, Fraudy Farhad [not his real first name] sending little notes to Jim the Biff etc etc) when we've got a fairly standard set of results relative to fixtures just smacks of the Viagra Monologues of the first 19 games of Martinez, where no-one was at half mast beyond those with proper thinking ie me and you.

 

[moyes cardy]

Why do we keep talking about Martinez in the Koeman thread - it's becoming an obsession. Is it not better to concentrate on hopefully a good start come 10pm by the current Everton Manager.

 

[ianefc]

Why do we keep talking about Martinez in the Koeman thread - it's becoming an obsession. Is it not better to concentrate on hopefully a good start come 10pm by the current Everton Manager.

Because forums are about comparisons, whether it be between player and/or managers, it was always going to be a talking point.

 

[squonk]

What about the non loss table though mate? Or the two semi finals in one season table?

sorry what was I thinking. I forgot 11th is the new 5th.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Because forums are about comparisons, whether it be between player and/or managers, it was always going to be a talking point.

Yeah this is starting to annoy me, it's completely natural for football managers to be compared to their predecessors, indeed it's difficult to fully assess the changes they are making if you are forbidden from discussing the baseline state they inherited. This didn't seem to be any issue when posters gleefully dragged Moyes through the dirt to big up Martinez, when Martinez came under criticism though and comparisons to his predecessor were made then all of a sudden the 'what's Moyes got to do with this thread' shouts came up. In exactly the same way that if Koeman does well Martinez will be 'off topic' whereas if he falls the wrong side of the 72 point line Martinez will suddenly be central to this thread.

 

[orly]

Yeah this is starting to annoy me, it's completely natural for football managers to be compared to their predecessors, indeed it's difficult to fully assess the changes they are making if you are forbidden from discussing the baseline state they inherited. This didn't seem to be any issue when posters gleefully dragged Moyes through the dirt to big up Martinez, when Martinez came under criticism though and comparisons to his predecessor were made then all of a sudden the 'what's Moyes got to do with this thread' shouts came up. In exactly the same way that if Koeman does well Martinez will be 'off topic' whereas if he falls the wrong side of the 72 point line Martinez will suddenly be central to this thread.

And ultimately shouldn't everyone be held to the highest standard set, that being Howard Kendall?

 

[Saint Domingo]

And ultimately shouldn't everyone be held to the highest standard set, that being Howard Kendall?

Exactly, we are limiting this debate massively if Koeman cannot be assessed against what went before. Variety of tactics, selection, performance, transfers, all meaningless in isolation if their is no yardstick. Like it or loathe it Moyes and Martinez are the two most recent managers and the only managers with any influence on the current squad that Koeman has inherited. They are therefore going to inevitably come up in discussion concerning Koeman.