Ronald Koeman discussion

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applecrumble said:
“I read the United program and my colleague [Mourinho] said about Everton spending £140 million and so they need to go for the top four,” Koeman said.

“If there’s anybody in this room and outside and sees this as something realistic for us, please comment.

“Be realistic. I’m not happy how we started the season, but please be a bit realistic about Everton. We need time, but it’s difficult in football.”

Mourinho the optimist vs Ron the pessimist. With an attitude like that we will never be top four. If he had signed the right players and maybe kept Rom we could EASILY be top four. But he is negative and talks negativly about our players in the press and I don't see how we can get top four with that type of attitude. Not to mention his dull tactics, unbalanced formations and questionable substitutions.
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If you actually think that's anything other than Moruinho - the master of deflection - just trying to apply a bit of pressure elsewhere, then you need to have a rethink mate.

This squad isn't a top four squad.

Most people on here said exactly the same at the end of the window - because we don't have a striker or a cb.

That's on the board.

Koeman is responsible for his tactics but yesterday those 'negative' tactics were only undone by a fluke goal and because we missed two sitters.

When he made positive changes, and brought on forward players, we were opened up - but then only did they get through because of a horrid mistake.

I blame Koeman for Chelsea, Spurs and Atalanta. Yesterday, the improvement in the performance was there, yet we suffered our heaviest defeat. Go figure.

He's said it. We've all said it. He's got four games now that we need to win. If we slip up again he may not have a job come the end of September.
 
Rudolf Hucker said:
That's right. Mourinho teams have always done that. Conserve energy & step up in bursts.
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Fine.

But that doesn't mean we didn't have a spell where we played well.

30-60 mins, we found our groove a bit. Yes, it wasn't free-flowing stuff but we were on top. We had two great chances that should have been put away.

Koeman can't finish those chances off.
 
We're now two from the bottom and 17 from the top, the countdown must be on for Koeman to leave now, the conundrum is who would we replace him with?
 

BlueToff said:
he doesn't if you go off his presser

he knows he's a way to go

but in the same token, so have we

and the board's failure to back him in two key areas hasn't helped

that being said, his tactics haven't helped either

but, for all the keyboard managers, his tactics yesterday weren't bad. We showed that.

It is more to do with confidence. He's said the instructions were there for the midfield to press up to the ball. The players not doing it is because the confidence is shot.

Once we managed to get into the game you could see that confidence coming back, and the failure is that we didn't take advantage of two really good chances that 9/10 times result in goals.
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...I don't get this 'board hasn't backed him' view. We won't have unlimited spend but there will be a sum of money available that all will be aware of. It appears the owner also provides monies from any outgoing transfers (Lukaku).

I assume you're talking about the acquisition of a striker. Koeman went on record a week or so ago saying he thought he had secured target no1 (presume Giroud) and then striker no2 (not sure who that is) but both failed to materialise. That might not be anybody's fault, Giroud in particular appeared to want to stay put at Arsenal. RK went on to say they started to work down their list but players were either unavailable or simply not worth the asking price.

That doesn't sound like the Board didn't back him. We are not Man City or PSG.
 
BlueToff said:
he doesn't if you go off his presser

he knows he's a way to go

but in the same token, so have we

and the board's failure to back him in two key areas hasn't helped

that being said, his tactics haven't helped either

but, for all the keyboard managers, his tactics yesterday weren't bad. We showed that.

It is more to do with confidence. He's said the instructions were there for the midfield to press up to the ball. The players not doing it is because the confidence is shot.

Once we managed to get into the game you could see that confidence coming back, and the failure is that we didn't take advantage of two really good chances that 9/10 times result in goals.
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Why would confidence effect your ability to press ? I can understand it effecting your ability on the ball but i feel like pressing off the ball shouldnt really have any relation to ones confidence as it's not really a high pressure situation relative to being in possession. Not that I'm an expert on the matter or anything, just seems odd to me.
 
Eggs said:
...I don't get this 'board hasn't backed him' view. We won't have unlimited spend but there will be a sum of money available that all will be aware of. It appears the owner also provides monies from any outgoing transfers (Lukaku).

I assume you're talking about the acquisition of a striker. Koeman went on record a week or so ago saying he thought he had secured target no1 (presume Giroud) and then striker no2 (not sure who that is) but both failed to materialise. That might not be anybody's fault, Giroud in particular appeared to want to stay put at Arsenal. RK went on to say they started to work down their list but players were either unavailable or simply not worth the asking price.

That doesn't sound like the Board didn't back him. We are not Man City or PSG.
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They backed him to an extent Eggs, and I'm happy for that. But they didn't back him fully. We did the classic Everton of 'not having the money' when we couldn't get a striker in.

And while I appreciate what Koeman said and that is also more than likely a possibility, I've been told something by someone I do feel is reliable that puts it in a different light.

Let's just put it this way. Koeman was told it was all in hand in the days leading up to deadline day.

He was then told differently and that we didn't have the available funds.

So, while yes, it's not one person's fault that Giroud decided to stay (as it did appear he was set to leave Arsenal), there's also something not quite sitting right with me.

All that being said, we can't keep bemoaning that.

A top class striker finishes those two sitters yesterday, but the thing is, both Rooney and Gylfi should have as well. We should have scored twice and have been 2-1 up, yet we found ourselves on the end of a 4-0 hammering.

Koeman has 4 games to save his job. He said as much himself.
 

longers said:
Why would confidence effect your ability to press ? I can understand it effecting your ability on the ball but i feel like pressing off the ball shouldnt really have any relation to ones confidence as it's not really a high pressure situation relative to being in possession. Not that I'm an expert on the matter or anything, just seems odd to me.
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I'm sure you've played sport/a team sport, and that you'll know that confidence is a massive part of the game.

It's all mental.

Just as an example, a player may think that stepping up that extra five yards may result in gaps opening up behind. It's little thoughts like that - second-guessing yourself - that's the issue.

When you've got 1 or 2 players doing it, okay you can live with it, but when it's 8-9, then you're in trouble.

Our best players yesterday were Davies and Gueye.

Both of whom simply played their natural game. Once we settled after a fluke goal (and that's what it was), the rest of the team started to find a bit of a rhythm. A bit of confidence.

The last 10 minutes are all down to a mistake from Williams, but bar the goal difference the last two United goals matter little really - the game was over.
 
BlueToff said:
They backed him to an extent Eggs, and I'm happy for that. But they didn't back him fully. We did the classic Everton of 'not having the money' when we couldn't get a striker in.

And while I appreciate what Koeman said and that is also more than likely a possibility, I've been told something by someone I do feel is reliable that puts it in a different light.

Let's just put it this way. Koeman was told it was all in hand in the days leading up to deadline day.

He was then told differently and that we didn't have the available funds.

So, while yes, it's not one person's fault that Giroud decided to stay (as it did appear he was set to leave Arsenal), there's also something not quite sitting right with me.

All that being said, we can't keep bemoaning that.

A top class striker finishes those two sitters yesterday, but the thing is, both Rooney and Gylfi should have as well. We should have scored twice and have been 2-1 up, yet we found ourselves on the end of a 4-0 hammering.

Koeman has 4 games to save his job. He said as much himself.
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..I get the funding issue. I reckon there was a dependency on moving Barkley out to fund any more incoming. It can't be a coincidence that we agreed £35m for Barkley and bid the same fee (reported by Portuguese outlet Marca) for Raul Jimenez.

I don't have a problem with that, though. We'd spent up. In hindsight, Koeman might not have been so reliant on Giroud. He might have prioritised a forward as opposed to so many similar midfield types. Things clearly haven't gone perfectly but that's what happens in a window.
 
Ossie and Micheal Appleton were one MOTD2 extra yesterday saying how important it's been for Burnley not changing their back 4. And they've only had to change Heaton because of his shoulder and that having that consistency in your defensive gives confidence to the rest of the team etc.

Yet it's been like playing musical chairs on a merry-go-round for us this season.



Ruzomberok (H) 1-0

Stek
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Ruzomberok (A) 0-1

Pickford
Davies - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Stoke (H) 1-0

Pickford
DCL - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Hajduk Split (H) 2-0

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Man City (A) 1-1

Pickford
Holgate - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Hajduk Split (A) 1-1

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Chelsea (A) 2-0

Pickford
Holgate - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Spurs (H) 0-3

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Atalanta (A) 3-0

Stek
Holgate - Keane - Jagielka - Baines

Man U (A) 4-0

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines




Keane has had a different right back next to him every single game this season. That to me is just absolute madness. It's just such a bizarre thing to do, especially when we're being thrashed every game at the moment.

We've started with 5 at the back and 4 at the back both five times so far this season. We've shipped goals in each of these formations. Yesterday we got absolutely battered for the first 10-15 minutes until Jags (the glorious leader of our back 5) realised that they could actually go outside of the box and push up a bit.

That coupled with the fact that our 'strikers' like to come into our own half to get the ball just knackers us for space and having no wide players does the same, so it's just a compressed mess in the middle of the pitch. And when we do manage to get the ball we're in our own half and trying to counter attack - which in itself poses as a problem as we have no pace and our 'strikers' and #10s are then having to go out wide to get the ball rather than through the middle.


I absolutely hate us playing both Gueye and Schneiderlin as well. They offer absolutely nothing attacking wise together esepcially Schneiderlin who needs dropping.

Chelsea, City, Spurs and even United to an extent last night all play with 1 main DM. I really don't see why Gueye can not do that job himself and have Klassen or Davies next to him to offer some headless chicken running support but be the main link between the back *insert random defense here* and the attacking players. Rather than Rooney having to come into our own half and get the ball from them on the edge of the D and then have no one in front of him when he turns.



Hopefully he uses that next 5 games to enstil some consistency into the starting 11 and sort out this rancid midfield and attack. All of the next 5 games are winnable, but if we lost 1 of them I'd honestly just throw him into the bin.* I think Sunderland game is a great chance to try and start to build up on something with a strong team and get some consistency going... but I don't think that will happen. We'll play 4 at the back, with Holgate on the right. Stek will start in goal and Besic will start in midfield. Nailed on.




* he won't though because Kenwright.
 

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