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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Joey66 said:
Miles better but the stats say beaten 4-0!
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Yes they do indeed, but the play was miles better if you want someone to blame, blame `40 year loan farhad and co`
The board sold Lukaku who will get the golden boot, and brought in Rooney who will get Colleen`s boot .............
 
CrustySack said:
The day after the 'inevitable' collapse to Manchester United; I'm still of the opinion that his time is up. I'm no knee-jerker, or bedwetter for that matter. I've been devoutly following Everton for the past 40 years. I get behind managers and players, and have done with Koeman.

It is one thing overseeing a slow decline of a football team, but to completely mess up a team so spectacularly after only a couple of months, despite the biggest transfer spend in the clubs history, is simply not on. This is Mike Walker levels of ineptitude. Koeman has been completely careless at best with his management of our team.

Good teams in transition can be excused for having dips in form. What we are witnessing is not just a dip in form, but is more a collapse. There is a line between acceptable and unacceptable at Everton, and the Atalanta game was the moment Koeman fell over it. That game reminded me of Walter Smith's last game which iirc was a 3:0 defeat away to Boro. It was simply a big fat NO.

Koeman's post-match Atalanta interview saw him commenting how the team was not prepared. He had more than enough time to prepare.
Koeman's post-match ManU interview saw him commenting on how Everton being a top 4 team is pretty much a joke. What message does this send to the players?

I don't care what happens in the next 4 games. He is done.
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It's four games though.

Nobody was saying this after the City game or the Hadjuk game.

So you're contradicting yourself.

It hasn't been a slow decline.

Martinez oversaw a slow decline.

Last season Koeman improved us and we moved up to 7th - the minimum we should expect.

The start to the season has been really tough. But it's four games. He has the same amount to rectify it...
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
After 5 league games with 4 of them being against the likely top 4 this season, and 3 of them away from home, to call for his head at this point is badly Geordie.

We've got a run of what on paper look winnable games now, he's now got the chance to turn it round. If he doesn't then he's in trouble, but he deserves longer to sort this out.
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Loads of bed wetting going on. Surprised any of you lot manage to get out of bed in the morning.

Performances may have been bad, aside from an away fixture on Italian soil, we've played Chelsea, City, and Man U. Were you expecting wins? I wasn't.

It's going to take a while for the new players to hit their straps. We know Sigurdsson is superb, Keane is great, Pickford a massive improvement, Klassen full of potential...it takes time.

Koeman has proved at Southampton, he knows what he's doing.

The only blame should be on this massively incompetent board who were told to get replacements in at centre forward and left centre back. They failed and we are paying the price.
 
CrustySack said:
The day after the 'inevitable' collapse to Manchester United; I'm still of the opinion that his time is up. I'm no knee-jerker, or bedwetter for that matter. I've been devoutly following Everton for the past 40 years. I get behind managers and players, and have done with Koeman.

It is one thing overseeing a slow decline of a football team, but to completely mess up a team so spectacularly after only a couple of months, despite the biggest transfer spend in the clubs history, is simply not on. This is Mike Walker levels of ineptitude. Koeman has been completely careless at best with his management of our team.

Good teams in transition can be excused for having dips in form. What we are witnessing is not just a dip in form, but is more a collapse. There is a line between acceptable and unacceptable at Everton, and the Atalanta game was the moment Koeman fell over it. That game reminded me of Walter Smith's last game which iirc was a 3:0 defeat away to Boro. It was simply a big fat NO.

Koeman's post-match Atalanta interview saw him commenting how the team was not prepared. He had more than enough time to prepare.
Koeman's post-match ManU interview saw him commenting on how Everton being a top 4 team is pretty much a joke. What message does this send to the players?

I don't care what happens in the next 4 games. He is done.
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What a lot of old tosh, we spent the Lukaku money and tv money, if Barkley had completed the `sell to buy` plan we would have spent zero!
Blame `40 year loan Farhad and Co` they have made Koeman a scapegoat for their own incompetence

Would Koeman be saying top 4 is possible if he had the two players he wanted, those being the most important two? He was sold on the project
and hoodwinked by BS Bill and Wonga.com Fraudhad like a lot of the fans, the board are now being seen for what they are incompetent frauds
 
Next 5 games crucial. He's had a complete shocker so far but rightly has the chance to sort us out and get wins on the board. I expect him to turn it round and hope he will. If we're still in a slump this time next month then I'll more than likely have reconsidered but until then he deserves backing.
 

applecrumble said:
“I read the United program and my colleague [Mourinho] said about Everton spending £140 million and so they need to go for the top four,” Koeman said.

“If there’s anybody in this room and outside and sees this as something realistic for us, please comment.

“Be realistic. I’m not happy how we started the season, but please be a bit realistic about Everton. We need time, but it’s difficult in football.”

Mourinho the optimist vs Ron the pessimist. With an attitude like that we will never be top four. If he had signed the right players and maybe kept Rom we could EASILY be top four. But he is negative and talks negativly about our players in the press and I don't see how we can get top four with that type of attitude. Not to mention his dull tactics, unbalanced formations and questionable substitutions.
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You've got to give it to Mourinho though, he wanted to get his back up before the match and he did.

He then reversed things with his mock sympathy in his pressed afterwards.

I know Mourinho is an arrogant bellend, but it must sting when other managers start taking the piss out of you too.
 
COYBL25 said:
You've got to give it to Mourinho though, he wanted to get his back up before the match and he did.

He then reversed things with his mock sympathy in his pressed afterwards.

I know Mourinho is an arrogant bellend, but it must sting when other managers start taking the piss out of you too.
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mourinho is the master isnt he..
 
Written the season off already so what's the harm in waiting another 4 games for him to prove what we already know, that being that he's a woeful manager and doesn't have the ability to turn things around. The squad look unmotivated, disjointed and don't look like they know the roles he expects them to play. I'll be glad to see the back of him if Moshiri has the bollocks to sack him.
 

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