Ronald Koeman discussion

[Lanolin]

Yet without having any threat up top, we created two golden chances that both Rooney and Sigurdsson should have scored

If we use 'create' in the loosest possible sense. We certainly had chances, whether we created them I'm not so sure.

 

[hetion]

Lol come on.

Koeman had a hard on for a completely pointless player in Gylfi. They spent 45m on him.

They then saw how utterly crap we were and how all of the signings don't look very good and probably pulled the plug.

This is my last hope I'm clinging to, and that they've spent the last month quietly researching managerial replacements. But it seems unlikely they'd sanction £45m for Sigurdsson so late in the window in that case.

 

[BlueToff]

If we use 'create' in the loosest possible sense. We certainly had chances, whether we created them I'm not so sure.

Come on mate.

You're one of the most sensible, balanced posters on here - if you make a chance, you create it.

Williams' mistake gave Lukaku the ball for their second, but he still created the chance for Mkhitaryan.

Davies' pressing won the ball high up the pitch for Rooney's chance, and though Rooney bundled his way through, he was still in the right place etc.

Same goes for Gylfi.

Yeh, it wasn't slick stuff, but when has it ever been for us at OT?

 

[BlueToff]

Sigurdsson is not a bad player.

He will come good.

 

[Lanolin]

Come on mate.

You're one of the most sensible, balanced posters on here - if you make a chance, you create it.

Williams' mistake gave Lukaku the ball for their second, but he still created the chance for Mkhitaryan.

Davies' pressing won the ball high up the pitch for Rooney's chance, and though Rooney bundled his way through, he was still in the right place etc.

Same goes for Gylfi.

Yeh, it wasn't slick stuff, but when has it ever been for us at OT?

But I mean in the sense that @Abraders was talking about. He was - I think - saying that we offer little in the way of a genuine threat, and I think the chances we had back that up.

Their second goal was 'created' in the standard football sense. Once Lukaku got the ball he drew players towards him, there was a clever run, he saw it and released it at the right time with the right weight for Mkhitaryan to just sweep it in. We never looked like doing that type of thing, our chances came from us battling away and causing errors. Nothing wrong with that, but it won't lead to many goals. See our goals scored column for confirmation.

 

[brieverton]

This is my last hope I'm clinging to, and that they've spent the last month quietly researching managerial replacements. But it seems unlikely they'd sanction £45m for Sigurdsson so late in the window in that case.

You would think that any organisation has a contingency plan, and in this context, succession would surely fall within Walsh's remit.

But I have my doubts given the failure to sign a striker - that represented dreadfully poor foresight and planning when the whole world could see it was needed.

I don't seriously think there is any moves underway but we have to win both LC and EL games next and get a minimum of 4 points from the two home league games. Losing one of the league games would place him in danger I think. But it probably also depends on the context - we also need to get some goals on the board in these games.

 

[jceverton]

Ossie and Micheal Appleton were one MOTD2 extra yesterday saying how important it's been for Burnley not changing their back 4. And they've only had to change Heaton because of his shoulder and that having that consistency in your defensive gives confidence to the rest of the team etc.

Yet it's been like playing musical chairs on a merry-go-round for us this season.



Ruzomberok (H) 1-0

Stek
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Ruzomberok (A) 0-1

Pickford
Davies - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Stoke (H) 1-0

Pickford
DCL - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Hajduk Split (H) 2-0

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Man City (A) 1-1

Pickford
Holgate - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Hajduk Split (A) 1-1

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Chelsea (A) 2-0

Pickford
Holgate - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines

Spurs (H) 0-3

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Baines

Atalanta (A) 3-0

Stek
Holgate - Keane - Jagielka - Baines

Man U (A) 4-0

Pickford
Martina - Keane - Williams - Jagielka - Baines




Keane has had a different right back next to him every single game this season. That to me is just absolute madness. It's just such a bizarre thing to do, especially when we're being thrashed every game at the moment.

We've started with 5 at the back and 4 at the back both five times so far this season. We've shipped goals in each of these formations. Yesterday we got absolutely battered for the first 10-15 minutes until Jags (the glorious leader of our back 5) realised that they could actually go outside of the box and push up a bit.

That coupled with the fact that our 'strikers' like to come into our own half to get the ball just knackers us for space and having no wide players does the same, so it's just a compressed mess in the middle of the pitch. And when we do manage to get the ball we're in our own half and trying to counter attack - which in itself poses as a problem as we have no pace and our 'strikers' and #10s are then having to go out wide to get the ball rather than through the middle.


I absolutely hate us playing both Gueye and Schneiderlin as well. They offer absolutely nothing attacking wise together esepcially Schneiderlin who needs dropping.

Chelsea, City, Spurs and even United to an extent last night all play with 1 main DM. I really don't see why Gueye can not do that job himself and have Klassen or Davies next to him to offer some headless chicken running support but be the main link between the back *insert random defense here* and the attacking players. Rather than Rooney having to come into our own half and get the ball from them on the edge of the D and then have no one in front of him when he turns.



Hopefully he uses that next 5 games to enstil some consistency into the starting 11 and sort out this rancid midfield and attack. All of the next 5 games are winnable, but if we lost 1 of them I'd honestly just throw him into the bin.* I think Sunderland game is a great chance to try and start to build up on something with a strong team and get some consistency going... but I don't think that will happen. We'll play 4 at the back, with Holgate on the right. Stek will start in goal and Besic will start in midfield. Nailed on.




* he won't though because Kenwright.

You've highlighted a basic tenant of good football management, play a settled defence. The fact that Koeman hasn't done this is fairly shocking, particularly when trying to integrate a new goalie and centre half. The guy is just not a very good manager.

 

[Thomasc]

At this point I'm putting it down to pure complacency on Utds part, they never left second gear.

LOL!

So even when we do something right, you will not acknowledge that? When we do something decent it is down to the opponents taking their foot off, even though it was only 1-0 like.

Sound

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I'll tell you what, only just seen what he's said after the match, he's got a cheek, this is your team Ronald, you've just spent a shed load of money, top 6 is bare minimum for you as far as we are concerned, anything less and you've failed this season.

Jose saying we should be aiming for top 4, he loves to stir it doesn't he, sticking the knife in, no love lost there.

 

[Number_25]

Cooled off a bit, our season starts today.

Big games coming up, gotta back him to get maximum points.

 

[orly]

Sunderland is 50/50 right now - the players confidence must be battered.
If you were the Sunderland manger I would be overloading the wide areas and playing off the shoulder of our slowest last defender all day long.

Absolute steaming pile of garbage as usual Crabbs.

Sunderland 50/50??? They are abysmal. They've been on an even worse run than us - and not against Chelsea standard teams. Can't even remember them winning at us even when they were in the Premier League.

For over a decade posting on Everton forums you have been relentlessly anti-Everton, only surfacing when things are going bad. I challenge anyone to look through your posting history here and confirm it. You don't even manage it in an amusing way.

 

[Brisan123]

I do not think losing away to Chelsea or United was unexpected
Drawing away to city was a bonus.
Not many will take a point there
Spurs loss was a downer.
What has sickened me is the lack of passion and hard work plus the awful defending.
Martina was dreadful yesterday
Not sure why he hasn't got a chance yet but Kenny needs to start if we are are playing a back 3 , if a back 4 then Holgate.
As everyone has said lack of pace is obvious.
Mirallas / Vlasic / Lookman / Lennon
At least one of these ( preferably 2 ) need to start
If Rooney and Siggy are nailed on starters then we need to go 4/2/3/1

 

[Abraders]

LOL!

So even when we do something right, you will not acknowledge that? When we do something decent it is down to the opponents taking their foot off, even though it was only 1-0 like.

Sound

I'm saying they never really had their foot on.

I have already acknowledged that we played with passion and aggression which was much improved and said it was probably our best performance of the season in the first half buddy.

Doesn't change the fact it was still crap!

 

[Joey66]

Come on mate.

You're one of the most sensible, balanced posters on here - if you make a chance, you create it.

Williams' mistake gave Lukaku the ball for their second, but he still created the chance for Mkhitaryan.

Davies' pressing won the ball high up the pitch for Rooney's chance, and though Rooney bundled his way through, he was still in the right place etc.

Same goes for Gylfi.

Yeh, it wasn't slick stuff, but when has it ever been for us at OT?

We won there under RM in fact we did the double on unt we got record prem points under RM - sadly things went wrong - no good playing ok for 80 minutes then a 4-0 defeat as that's what the stats say!
RK I want him gone we are in the bottom 3 and when you fall there its hard to recover - our football has been crass!

 

[matty1878]

We won there under RM in fact we did the double on unt we got record prem points under RM - sadly things went wrong - no good playing ok for 80 minutes then a 4-0 defeat as that's what the stats say!
RK I want him gone we are in the bottom 3 and when you fall there its hard to recover - our football has been crass!

It's an improvement on previous games