Ronald Koeman discussion

[willo30]

It took a season to find out Martinez,seems history does repeat itself.

How is history repeating itself? When was the last time we had a run of fixtures like the last 4?
If these results had been scattered around the season and we were beating everyone else then we wouldn't see the fume we seeing now.

We've been beaten by 4 sides clearly better than us. The last game gave me hope with the way we played and he is trying different things to get a goal with his late subs at MU but it's not his fault Williams drops a clanger and they also get a dubious penalty.

We play how we played Sunday in the next 3 then 9 points are nailed on. Probably see us in the top 7.

 

[brieverton]

I am just still absolutely fuming at his comments, he took us back to the worst excesses of the Moyes years in an instant, and I am one who can see a lot of positives from that time. In fact, a penny for Moyes' thoughts right now on being able to turnover a squad so rapidly, for apparently no end result, or so Koeman would have us believe.

Koeman is being paid a millionaires ransom in elite sport and the best he can do is say that we will do well to standstill. Football, or any other sport is not all science and performance metrics. The day all the old-fashioned qualities like effort and passion go out of the window is the day I am finished with football, and Everton.

I feel like going as far as to say he should reflect on those comments with considerable embarrassment if he believes he can bring nothing to the table as Everton manager.

Those comments sting, they hurt, and I believe they set the tone for performances on the pitch, both past, and to come.

It's part of life, in all its facets, to sometimes put a brave face on things and say the right thing, white lies and all of that. We all do it in our family lives and at work. There was absolutely no need to go off on that tangent and he went down massively in my eyes when I heard what he said.

 

[Joey66]

My older brother is going on Sat - he wants us to win , but wants rid of RK hes seen it all from 1958 onwards - I told him about the postings of a taxi for RK - like John Carey - his words of Carey was a great manager - he fetched the GV, Roy Vernon, Jimmy gabriel, and Alex Parker to our club - more like dispatch RK in a wheelbarrow to the manure heap - Carey was sacked when we were 5th and riding high, playing lovely football too much of a gentleman for his ruthless chairman!ended up with a 5-1 home win it was most of his team that won us the title in 1963!
I cannot see how RK can fetch it around with the players in - the players out and the rumours of losing the dressing room !

 

[willo30]

We play half of our games away from home, he is picking up less wins and points, he is scoring less goals and, most remarkably, conceding more than a rightly pilloried manager. He has four games at home now to figure out what the hell he is doing or we are screwed.

We've beaten every team that finished below us up to now. Why is it such an issue we can't beat teams clearly better than us and have improved? This has been going on for decades.

 

[COYBL25]

cant even be bothered to hold a press conf on league cup game, still...more time for eating and shouting at ross

Don't forget a round of golf and bouncing up and down with Rachel

 

[davids]

How is history repeating itself? When was the last time we had a run of fixtures like the last 4?
If these results had been scattered around the season and we were beating everyone else then we wouldn't see the fume we seeing now.

We've been beaten by 4 sides clearly better than us. The last game gave me hope with the way we played and he is trying different things to get a goal with his late subs at MU but it's not his fault Williams drops a clanger and they also get a dubious penalty.

We play how we played Sunday in the next 3 then 9 points are nailed on. Probably see us in the top 7.

Martinez second season teams realised that all they had to do was press our back four who were all pretty pedestrian on the ball.This season our lack of pace in every dept is glaringly obvious,so teams can hold a high line without worrying about a break.

 

[dannyboy]

My older brother is going on Sat - he wants us to win , but wants rid of RK hes seen it all from 1958 onwards - I told him about the postings of a taxi for RK - like John Carey - his words of Carey was a great manager - he fetched the GV, Roy Vernon, Jimmy gabriel, and Alex Parker to our club - more like dispatch RK in a wheelbarrow to the manure heap - Carey was sacked when we were 5th and riding high, playing lovely football too much of a gentleman for his ruthless chairman!ended up with a 5-1 home win it was most of his team that won us the title in 1963!
I cannot see how RK can fetch it around with the players in - the players out and the rumours of losing the dressing room !

You all want Koeman out on the back of 5 Premier League games against 4 of the best sides in the division. The more I think about it the crazier it gets. If we were languishing in the bottom 3 during November then I'd completely understand but we are so far away from that.

 

[dannyboy]

Martinez second season teams realised that all they had to do was press our back four who were all pretty pedestrian on the ball.This season our lack of pace in every dept is glaringly obvious,so teams can hold a high line without worrying about a break.

How are the likes of Burnley going to hold a high line against us? They'll all be camped outside their 18 yard box like they are every year when they come to Goodison.

 

[COYBL25]

My older brother is going on Sat - he wants us to win , but wants rid of RK hes seen it all from 1958 onwards - I told him about the postings of a taxi for RK - like John Carey - his words of Carey was a great manager - he fetched the GV, Roy Vernon, Jimmy gabriel, and Alex Parker to our club - more like dispatch RK in a wheelbarrow to the manure heap - Carey was sacked when we were 5th and riding high, playing lovely football too much of a gentleman for his ruthless chairman!ended up with a 5-1 home win it was most of his team that won us the title in 1963!
I cannot see how RK can fetch it around with the players in - the players out and the rumours of losing the dressing room !

Just a word of advice Joey.

Most don't know who John Carey is, so it's pointless holding him up as an example.

Other than that, carry on

 

[willo30]

Martinez second season teams realised that all they had to do was press our back four who were all pretty pedestrian on the ball.This season our lack of pace in every dept is glaringly obvious,so teams can hold a high line without worrying about a break.

Only if they are good enough to hold it. The 4 we have just played are but if the lower teams try it we will beat them easily.

 

[neil999]

Don't forget a round of golf and bouncing up and down with Rachel

while shouting at ross...

 

[dannyboy]

Only if they are good enough to hold it. The 4 we have just played are but if the lower teams try it we will beat them easily.

I would absolutely love to see the likes of Bournemouth and Burnley come to Goodison and play their high line. It's just not going to happen. Not a chance.

 

[Joey66]

Just a word of advice Joey.

Most don't know who John Carey is, so it's pointless holding him up as an example.

Other than that, carry on

solve that one then-

Manager: 1958-1961

Following the departure of Ian Buchan, the Everton board appointed Johnny Carey as manager in October 1958.

He had enjoyed a prolific playing career at Manchester United, continuing to play for them despite the outbreak of the Second World War and stayed with them throughout their post-war glory days.

He had also guested for Everton, making a few appearances in the 1942/43 campaign.

Upon the conclusion of his playing career he had spent time coaching Ireland’s team for the 1948 Olympics then moved on to Blackburn Rovers, taking them to the First Division in 1958.

Joining Everton, Carey's quiet assuredness seemed the perfect antidote to an increasing lack of confidence in the club. Lucky enough to secure millionaire Everton supporter John Moores as a club benefactor, Carey used Moores' financial backing to enter the transfer market, acquiring such luminaries as Roy Vernon, Billy Bingham, Alex Young and Jimmy Gabriel.

Following two low seasons, Carey's leadership saw Everton reach their highest league position since the war in the 1960/61 season, finishing fifth. However, with the increased financial backing of Moores, and the removal of the maximum players' wage, football was starting to become big business. In a new era of market forces, anything less than first place was sure to be seen as failure.

His success was not enough for the growing demands of the Everton board and the club supporters. As a result, rumours of Carey's impending dismissal were rife. Joining Moores, by now the new Club Chairman, at a Football League meeting in London, Carey was famously informed of his departure in the back of a taxi.

 

[COYBL25]

You all want Koeman out on the back of 5 Premier League games against 4 of the best sides in the division. The more I think about it the crazier it gets. If we were languishing in the bottom 3 during November then I'd completely understand but we are so far away from that.

No, it's the complete and utter lack of, balance, pace and joined up football.

Plus it's looking more and more likely he's wasted our biggest ever transfer budget on a load of lemons.

It's the footballing equivalent of crossing Mike Walker and Walter Smith.

Clueless, dull and self destructive football.

 

[COYBL25]

solve that one then-



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Manager: 1958-1961

Following the departure of Ian Buchan, the Everton board appointed Johnny Carey as manager in October 1958.

He had enjoyed a prolific playing career at Manchester United, continuing to play for them despite the outbreak of the Second World War and stayed with them throughout their post-war glory days.

He had also guested for Everton, making a few appearances in the 1942/43 campaign.

Upon the conclusion of his playing career he had spent time coaching Ireland’s team for the 1948 Olympics then moved on to Blackburn Rovers, taking them to the First Division in 1958.

Joining Everton, Carey's quiet assuredness seemed the perfect antidote to an increasing lack of confidence in the club. Lucky enough to secure millionaire Everton supporter John Moores as a club benefactor, Carey used Moores' financial backing to enter the transfer market, acquiring such luminaries as Roy Vernon, Billy Bingham, Alex Young and Jimmy Gabriel.

Following two low seasons, Carey's leadership saw Everton reach their highest league position since the war in the 1960/61 season, finishing fifth. However, with the increased financial backing of Moores, and the removal of the maximum players' wage, football was starting to become big business. In a new era of market forces, anything less than first place was sure to be seen as failure.

His success was not enough for the growing demands of the Everton board and the club supporters. As a result, rumours of Carey's impending dismissal were rife. Joining Moores, by now the new Club Chairman, at a Football League meeting in London, Carey was famously informed of his departure in the back of a taxi.

I know Joey, he was a great manager, but to anyone under sixty he means nothing.

Sorry x