Ronald Koeman discussion

[Axlswhk]

The Dutch donkey will bring on Rooney and slow the pace even further. Of cos sacrificing Gana instead of Schneiderlin.

 

[ilikecheese]

Still waiting until we play 10 games before passing judgement.

Tick.
Tick.
Tick.

 

[FumarNotArsed]

Sack him and get someone like Pulis, Dyche or Allardyce in

 

[Thomasc]

Not changed anything

He's looking like an absolute galoot now

 

[BrendanGOT]

That's always the argument against dismissing managers. The answer is I don't know who gets the job, but you should have ambition to do better if you're as bad as this, so you don't keep it going.

There has to be an intolerable level of failure, or you are simply accepting being bad. There has to be a consequence to this.

It's not an argument really, it's just a matter of fact, who's out there better that brings that level of winning and success we all want and I think it'd be unfair to throw Unsy into the deep end. It's frustrating to say the least. I agree there has to be consequence but historically Everton have been quite tolerable...

 

[Toast]

 

[Tubey]

It's not an argument really, it's just a matter of fact, who's out there better that brings that level of winning and success we all want and I think it'd be unfair to throw Unsy into the deep end. It's frustrating to say the least. I agree there has to be consequence but historically Everton have been quite tolerable...

The "who's out there better" is a total unknown. Nobody would have guessed Ranieiri would hand Leicester the title, for example.

You can only go on what you know - and that is whether the current performance is in any way acceptable over a period of time.

The answer to that with Koeman is clearly no. So if you know that, then you don't keep with it. In many ways, something you don't know is better than something you do know if that something is known to be terrible.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Think it's plain to see now, had lots of money to rebuild and has made us worst.

I can understand people calling for his head now.

I'm going to defend him for that first half

Any other day we score 2 or 3

 

[BrendanGOT]

Unsworth, he loves proper winger and pace.

As I said in the quoted post I think it'd be risky and unfair to throw Unsworth into the deep end like that. Big step up from U23s. Not to say he wouldn't smash it and do well but it could easily go the other way and then what?

 

[ijjysmith]

It becomes a pride and common sense issue. If you have any ambition to have stature as a club, you aren't 16th after 7 games and coming off the back of a draw at home to the 3rd best team in Cyprus.

Who are actually 8th in the Cypriot league at the moment I think I saw.

 

[hetion]

It's not an argument really, it's just a matter of fact, who's out there better that brings that level of winning and success we all want and I think it'd be unfair to throw Unsy into the deep end. It's frustrating to say the least. I agree there has to be consequence but historically Everton have been quite tolerable...

Loads of managers as long as you ignore the Merson-style approach of 'are they premier league proven or have they won a trophy?'

Hiring managers is incredibly complex and is as much about fit as it is how 'good' they've been, it's nearly impossible to accurately recommend a manager unless you know the inner workings of a club. Although I will admit to being a huge cheerleader for Favre last summer...

 

[BrendanGOT]

The "who's out there better" is a total unknown. Nobody would have guessed Ranieiri would hand Leicester the title, for example.

You can only go on what you know - and that is whether the current performance is in any way acceptable over a period of time.

The answer to that with Koeman is clearly no. So if you know that, then you don't keep with it. In many ways, something you don't know is better than something you do know if that something is known to be terrible.

Fair point mate. We'll see soon what way it goes but I'm not holding my breath for any sort of revolution.

 

[COYBL25]

The "who's out there better" is a total unknown. Nobody would have guessed Ranieiri would hand Leicester the title, for example.

You can only go on what you know - and that is whether the current performance is in any way acceptable over a period of time.

The answer to that with Koeman is clearly no. So if you know that, then you don't keep with it. In many ways, something you don't know is better than something you do know if that something is known to be terrible.

Is that like " You know, that I know, that you know, that I know ? "

 

[Thomasc]

I'm going to defend him for that first half

Any other day we score 2 or 3

We still look short on confidence and ideas for me mikey

 

[Timak]

Loads of managers as long as you ignore the Merson-style approach of 'are they premier league proven or have they won a trophy?'

Hiring managers is incredibly complex and is as much about fit as it is how 'good' they've been, it's nearly impossible to accurately recommend a manager unless you know the inner workings of a club. Although I will admit to being a huge cheerleader for Favre last summer...

You also have to consider the squad.

Tuchel is a great manager and plays a lovely style of football. But that style is completely incompatible with the squad Koeman has put together.

I think you do better with a coherent plan for what you want the team to be like over the medium term and build towards it rather than giving a manager, who only intends to stay a couple of years, control over your budget. That way you end up with Bolasie, Sigurdsson and Wiliams for £90m. They fill a gap for a year or two then they are right offs.