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Ronald Koeman discussion

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mkrudden said:
No mate. But I cannot see how any would this season. Or next.
Some make it sound like a manager is a miracle worker. The gap between us and those who finished above us last season, in relation to their spending and continuity of team selection / core, is not going to be mended by one big transfer window. What 140m has done is injected some better players, particularly in Keane and Pickford, who will help us over the next 3 years.
Winning the FA Cup, for example, for us comes down to whether we draw Chelsea, City, Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs away (or even at home). If we do, we are unlikely to get through. Because simply, their squads are current either better in terms of quality and / or continuity.
We need some perspective. This isn't the 80s. This isn't even the 90s or 00s when 140m in a summer meant something.
Every time you pot a manager you start again. I don't think that will do anything other than delay our progression.
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But why do you want to progress with a manager you don't think can win us anything?

You are right that it's a pain having to start again, but if most can agree now that he wasn't a very ambitious appointment to begin with and he is very unlikely to achieve success here....then why wait to get rid?

The mistakes been made. Fix it, and move on.
 
mkrudden said:
Even had we got Giroud, which is seen as the final piece we missed in the summer, do you think 4th would have been obtainable? I don't. I don't think 140m gets anywhere near when you consider the years of spending at those clubs above us.
That money was never meant to have us competing. It was meant to bridge the gap. All Moshiri wants this season is 6th. Hardly reeks of a chairman thinking his investment has even touched the sides.
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If Giroud had have come, I'm not sure he would have scored many he would need a supply, I could be said he would bring others into play but we would still be stuck for pace. I'm not even sure if Lukaku had stayed he would have many the problem is deeper than not having a decent striker.
 
dannyboy said:
It really wouldn't take much. Did you honestly rate Burnley as a great side today? That's what we'd be up against for our 7th place trophy if we clicked into gear. Right now we're 5 points behind them...
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No I don't rate Burnley as a 'great side', thats the problem, we just got beat at home to a very average Burnley team.
 

LocalNative said:
Spurs?

Haven't spent half as much as us yet are doing better. Their recruitment has been excellent - especially the defensive side.
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Spurs have had a combination of brilliant business and luck. Harry Kane learning how to be a top draw forward transformed them. Anyone who watched him in that infamous under 17 international tournament a few years back would've said he'd be selling the Big Issue by now.

You can't fault how astute they've been in the transfer market as well, but there was a time when they spent the Bale money in one go and really struggled. Ring any bells?
 
bicycleheader said:
But why do you want to progress with a manager you don't think can win us anything?

You are right that it's a pain having to start again, but if most can agree now that he wasn't a very ambitious appointment to begin with and he is very unlikely to achieve success here....then why wait to get rid?

The mistakes been made. Fix it, and move on.
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I can understand that, definitely.
And I'm not asking you to be one of the other bells who think because they caught 4 mins of Lazio v Sampdoria and play loads of FM so you're practically a "scout" of world football, but who shouts out at you as an appointment worthy of the description ambition?
Because honestly, I find the Ancelotti shouts severe grade delusion.
 
efcste97 said:
No I don't rate Burnley as a 'great side', thats the problem, we just got beat at home to a very average Burnley team.
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I agree but it's not going to take a monumental effort to overhaul them this season. They've made a fantastic start but that'll average itself out over the course of the season.
 
dannyboy said:
I think Koeman has been through rough patches in the past - he even had one last year and managed to pull the squad through them. I do think he has absolutely no idea about what team/system to play. Would you though? Would any manager?
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Your right that is one of the problems, but he still sticks to his way of playing (why has he done that for so long when it's not working?) the last couple of weeks he has change things alittle but still player 2 DM against burley at home.
 
mkrudden said:
Well simply, we would have still lost but potentially more heavily and at the same time destroying perhaps beyond repair the progression of our young players.
It could be alot worse.
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But with the senior players in we were lucky not to lose by more in them games I mentioned. Martina headed one out to Kane on the edge of the box v Spurs, Eriksen nearly got one before they go the 1st. Against United Keane gifted Lukaku a chance that he should have scored so but for poor finishing we could have lost by 5 in both those games.

I genuinely don't think we'd be worse off. Appreciate we have to be sensible with the youngsters but the senior players aren't exactly excelling themselves.
 

Fansince1988 said:
Your right that is one of the problems, but he still sticks to his way of playing (why has he done that for so long when it's not working?) the last couple of weeks he has change things alittle but still player 2 DM against burley at home.
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The two centre mids is a big problem. I'm not a fan of them playing together either. What I'd give for Arteta of 8 years ago to be back here...
 
efcste97 said:
From the look of things its not just Burnley we have to worry about. We need to make sure we are winning against the so called mid table teams also.
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We're lucky in the fact that outside of the top 6 the league isn't littered with quality. It's just a bunch of average teams that'll take points from each other until May. I doubt there'll be any runaway leader of the chasing pack unless we get ourselves together.
 
dannyboy said:
Spurs have had a combination of brilliant business and luck. Harry Kane learning how to be a top draw forward transformed them. Anyone who watched him in that infamous under 17 international tournament a few years back would've said he'd be selling the Big Issue by now.

You can't fault how astute they've been in the transfer market as well, but there was a time when they spent the Bale money in one go and really struggled. Ring any bells?
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Yeah and then they changed their manager!
 

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