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Ronald Koeman discussion

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He seems decidedly less worried about our current situation than everyone else, which either means he knows something we don't know regarding future happenings in the transfer market/behind the scenes at board level, or he knows that even now he isn't being put under any considerable pressure by the board.

I do think we'll improve at some point, whether that be through certain players returning to the fold, new players lined up in the January window, or the unlikely event that everything will just starting 'clicking' naturally. I just can't see it happening any time soon however, confidence will be practically dead in that squad now.

I actually reckon this international break has come at a good time for us fans, saves having to put up with more of the same next weekend - we can actually enjoy it!
 
EFC78 said:
But with the senior players in we were lucky not to lose by more in them games I mentioned. Martina headed one out to Kane on the edge of the box v Spurs, Eriksen nearly got one before they go the 1st. Against United Keane gifted Lukaku a chance that he should have scored so but for poor finishing we could have lost by 5 in both those games.

I genuinely don't think we'd be worse off. Appreciate we have to be sensible with the youngsters but the senior players aren't exactly excelling themselves.
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You can't win anything with youngsters (the famous old quote) but in our case a few scattered in the side could change things. Who would be against Kenny in for Martina, Davies in for Snides, Vlasic and DCL in their roles today. Even Holegate for Williams that's a lot of youngsters but I think I could work ok with the gaps filled in by the seniors.
 
dannyboy said:
Spurs have had a combination of brilliant business and luck. Harry Kane learning how to be a top draw forward transformed them. Anyone who watched him in that infamous under 17 international tournament a few years back would've said he'd be selling the Big Issue by now.

You can't fault how astute they've been in the transfer market as well, but there was a time when they spent the Bale money in one go and really struggled. Ring any bells?
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The way Kane's banging them in he will be off to Real Madrid sooner or laters then they will struggle to find a replacement.
 
mkrudden said:
I can understand that, definitely.
And I'm not asking you to be one of the other bells who think because they caught 4 mins of Lazio v Sampdoria and play loads of FM so you're practically a "scout" of world football, but who shouts out at you as an appointment worthy of the description ambition?
Because honestly, I find the Ancelotti shouts severe grade delusion.
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I don't know. I like Quique Setien at Betis but have zero idea how he would do in the Prem League or if he speaks any English.

I don't demand that they get it right as if it's an exact science. It's not. We have had a few managers since 95 and none of them have won anything. For all I know the next ten managers might not win anything.

At this point I just prefer they went for somebody who you can actually believe might get us somewhere beyond our trophyless best of the rest status even if ultimately they fail. In my opinion they went for somebody who would just maintain that status and that was almost a guarantee of achieving no more than that.
 

dannyboy said:
The two centre mids is a big problem. I'm not a fan of them playing together either. What I'd give for Arteta of 8 years ago to be back here...
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Davies is our best hope at the moment next to Gueye. Davies does have that attacking instinct what Snides hasn't got and Gueye better than Snides at breaking up attacks.
 
bicycleheader said:
I don't know. I like Quique Setien at Betis but have zero idea how he would do in the Prem League or if he speaks any English.

I don't demand that they get it right as if it's an exact science. It's not. We have had a few managers since 95 and none of them have won anything. For all I know the next ten managers might not win anything.

At this point I just prefer they went for somebody who you can actually believe might get us somewhere beyond our trophyless best of the rest status even if ultimately they fail. In my opinion they went for somebody who would just maintain that status and that was almost a guarantee of achieving no more than that.
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I was really uninspired by the Koeman appointment at the time but I'm pretty uninspired by the club overall. There's always a caveat with Everton. Yeah, we spent all that money in the summer but we lost our only world class player and didn't even buy a striker to replace him. It's just par for course with us.
 

dannyboy said:
I was really uninspired by the Koeman appointment at the time but I'm pretty uninspired by the club overall. There's always a caveat with Everton. Yeah, we spent all that money in the summer but we lost our only world class player and didn't even buy a striker to replace him. It's just par for course with us.
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Everton being Everton

They utterly bore me right now. No worry or anger, just bored. Stick or twist with Koeman we aren't getting relegated and are likely to finish top 10 so freaking out over a crap run is pointless.

I just want a more positive overall picture at the club. Something to really get behind. And I think that unfortunately has to start with ditching the manager.
 
bicycleheader said:
Everton being Everton

They utterly bore me right now. No worry or anger, just bored. Stick or twist with Koeman we aren't getting relegated and are likely to finish top 10 so freaking out over a crap run is pointless.

I just want a more positive overall picture at the club. Something to really get behind. And I think that unfortunately has to start with ditching the manager.
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I'd let him get with it for now, until the end of the season... Unless we're still in this position around Christmas.

If we're getting rid of Koeman then there needs to be guarantees from the board that they're going to invest. Knowing our luck we'd end up with Unsworth in charge and £20m to spend. Who knows, maybe he'd be a revelation. Not convinced myself.
 
dannyboy said:
I was really uninspired by the Koeman appointment at the time but I'm pretty uninspired by the club overall. There's always a caveat with Everton. Yeah, we spent all that money in the summer but we lost our only world class player and didn't even buy a striker to replace him. It's just par for course with us.
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I didn't want Koeman here in the first place, but my thinking was as he was a top draw player in Europe he would convince top players to come and the top players to stay, he has basically failed in all them tasks. It just proves being a big name player doesn't make you a good manager, I've never forgiven him for that foul on Platt in the early 90s WCQ.
 
dannyboy said:
I'd let him get with it for now, until the end of the season... Unless we're still in this position around Christmas.

If we're getting rid of Koeman then there needs to be guarantees from the board that they're going to invest. Knowing our luck we'd end up with Unsworth in charge and £20m to spend. Who knows, maybe he'd be a revelation. Not convinced myself.
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the Andy Carroll cash ....................
 

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