Ronald Koeman discussion

[tommytowne]

I'm not wondering, I can tell you now. Brighton are one of the weaker prem teams but he will still start with 2 defensive mids, and he will play at least 1 cm on the wings, possibly 2.

Seeing Brighton play yesterday, there is zero chance we can cope with their attacking style of play.
After "stewing" as the commentators describe it, over the international break, I know he will fluffy his lines again.

 

[mccole]

Do the board think it's all Koeman tho?

With Martinez, he didn't have a Director of Football as a buffer so it was all down to him.

Walsh really hasn't hit the heights with his CV so far even if it is early days but Koeman was quoted in saying we want a Centre Back and Striker and Walsh never delivered.

Koeman playing DCL and Niasse at home may have been a play at Walsh to say, "Without Rooney this is what we have."

 

[Eggs]

Do the board think it's all Koeman tho?

With Martinez, he didn't have a Director of Football as a buffer so it was all down to him.

Walsh really hasn't hit the heights with his CV so far even if it is early days but Koeman was quoted in saying we want a Centre Back and Striker and Walsh never delivered.

Koeman playing DCL and Niasse at home may have been a play at Walsh to say, "Without Rooney this is what we have."

..but Koeman has explained what went on with the striker situation and absolutely no blame can be assigned to Walsh.

Koeman is on record as saying they thought we had acquired target no1 (assume Giroud) and target no2 but both failed to materialise. They then worked their way 'down the list' (suggesting Walsh had furnished a number of targets) but players were either unavailable or not worth the money being asked.

I think it's reasonable to challenge Walsh's role in bringing in so many similar types of players, but nobody complained when they were acquired. Indeed folk on here were genuinely excited at the purchases, regular references to 'heads falling off on RAWK' etc.

The lack of a striker is now regularly regurgitated and perhaps the lesson learned is assuming Giroud would sign and waiting too long for it to happen.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

If that was "putting it all on the line" for him, I'd hate to see what downing their tools is like. Would they just score own goals repeatedly?

Im getting worried now.He's talking and acting like Martinez, when the walls were closing in on him.

 

[jazzy]

..but Koeman has explained what went on with the striker situation and absolutely no blame can be assigned to Walsh.

Koeman is on record as saying they thought we had acquired target no1 (assume Giroud) and target no2 but both failed to materialise. They then worked their way 'down the list' (suggesting Walsh had furnished a number of targets) but players were either unavailable or not worth the money being asked.

I think it's reasonable to challenge Walsh's role in bringing in so many similar types of players, but nobody complained when they were acquired. Indeed folk on here were genuinely excited at the purchases, regular references to 'heads falling off on RAWK' etc.

The lack of a striker is now regularly regurgitated and perhaps the lesson learned is assuming Giroud would sign and waiting too long for it to happen.

The worrying thing though Eggs is that having Giroud wouldn't change a thing.

We would still be slow , have no width , have too many no.10's and unable to defend.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Now that Moshiri the Fraud has given him his backing, I'm fully convinced we need a change.

 

[blue61]

..but there was nothing, no encouragement, no banter, no chatter. If it is an Everton thing now I suggest there's something amiss. Rooney wasn't with them so perhaps that was a factor but it normally reflects they are going out rudderless.

I thought the same when the camera panned the bench early in the second half. Everyone looked glum, with a look on the face that said 'I hope he doesn't put me on'. We look a completely rudderless outfit at the moment, and I don't see Koemans abrasive style galvanising them to react positively.

 

[Paul w]

Im getting worried now.He's talking and acting like Martinez, when the walls were closing in on him.

There is a piece in the mail I think by Chris Sutton asking Everton to put koeman out of his misery.

 

[Paul w]

Now that Moshiri the Fraud has given him his backing, I'm fully convinced we need a change.

With Moshiri as well?

 

[ToffeeTim]

With Moshiri as well?

Well yea, of course. The clueless beaut couldn't wait to use another defeat as a publicity stunt.

 

[Eggs]

The worrying thing though Eggs is that having Giroud wouldn't change a thing.

We would still be slow , have no width , have too many no.10's and unable to defend.

..I think that's reasonable. Although he might be an improvement, he's unlikely to be a fix.

 

[blueuk808]

My problem with all this is we are consistently comparing ourselves to Spurs - in 2013 they sold Bale and went and bought a ton of players. Then they needed time for the players to gel and only in the last couple of seasons did we apparently see a cohesive Spurs side. So Bale was sold in September 13. They then bought a raft of players, including the likes of Eriksen who didn't gel. They then sacked Villas-Boas and got Pochettino in May 14. They had two key youth players come thru in Alli and Kane which obviously drastically helped. In the season 13-14 they finished 6th (when we finished 5th with Rom our leading goal scorer). They have never finished lower than that since - in fact you have to go back 10 years to see them finish 11th.

The point is, do we really think this is a case of getting players to gel? With them not gelling are we a side comparable to that of 2013?

For me I think we are miles and miles away from either our side of 2013 or the Spurs side of 2013. Let alone being able to improve. My worry is that making this comparison (and the inevitable, it'll get better) is masking the very real problem of the lack of a goalscorer, poor defense and confusion in the midfield.

 

[ijjysmith]

The worrying thing though Eggs is that having Giroud wouldn't change a thing.

We would still be slow , have no width , have too many no.10's and unable to defend.

I reckon he would have helped. Yeah he’s not even remotely quick but he wohld give a focal point up front. And hopefully would have meant the insane no.10 thing would have happened less or not at all.

By having a striker the opposition would actually have to do something about it would alter the way they set up against us. Meaning the defence would come under less pressure.

Sadly now they are under so much pressure for basically 90 minutes and can’t cope.

 

[tommytowne]

One thing noticeable about the atmosphere at Goodison yesterday was that it was one of resigned acceptance.
Bar for the first 15 minutes or so, we knew what the outcome would be.
Added to that was the manager's post match conference, and I'm left wondering what it's going to take for him to realise he may have been a decent player, but hes certainly not in the same league as a coach/manager.

 

[faddy the blue]

There's definitely a bias towards the young players. But you have to learn to ignore it, people were screaming for Kissock and Mark Hughes a few years ago, Vellios too. It'll always happen.

If we start every game this year with the likes of Kenny, Lookman and DCL, we'll get relegated.

Unsworth is doing well managing a reserve side that is better than most, he had no premier league experience, nor does he have any proper management experience.

We're a premier league side and we need a proven manager, the fairytale would be great but he's not going to get promoted to first team manager, call up a load of reserves and finish top 4

This exactly. Its a different ball game managing u23s with minimum egos and playing in empty stadiums. Then all of a sudden you're put in charge of the most expensive squad assembled ever, big name players , with enormous expectations and extremely impatient fanbase which will call for his head even after 5 games if they start going wrong.

The one game Unsy managed in PL was vs a relegated Norwich last game of the season. It was a dead rubber. Its a difficult moment at Everton. Lets stick together this season and I have full faith in Moshiri. Unless we have a man in mind who convincingly can deliver on our heightened expectations in a flash, we should stick with Koeman. Things will improve for us.