Ronald Koeman discussion

[Khalekan]

Or some of us who realise weve wasted 1.5 years on Valencias 'Mike Walker'' (if you class mike walker as the worst manager in our history).

AS for all these home records people keep posting about...check when we last won away in the league.

It was January.

With a last minute winner versus Palace.

And yet many round these parts are confident of victory at Brighton.

Though their numbers are dwindling rapidly

 

[Khalekan]

Very bold of you.

I don't know what the heck happened.

And I could not amend it, even trying three or four edits

 

[ijjysmith]

I don't know what the heck happened.

And I could not amend it, even trying three or four edits

You made some very bold statements in that post so it's fine.

 

[COYBL25]

Khal, you’re way off. For starters Mike Walker almost got us relegated. And correct me if I’m wrong was he not there to oversee the win that kept us up (however that happened). So in theory he was given time, because the bullet could have been pulled a lot sooner.

He had us on a massive decline and the board took the decision. We lost 9 of 17 in 93/94 then he was backed in the summer and we lost 8 of about 12 before being replaced.

And HK mk3 was not that easy and everyone knows it, there was a lot of off the field stuff going on.

Point still stands though, there’s a handful of people on here who’ll be praying we get beat so they can climb out of their drains and start listing all the foreign managers that they want

You make some very valid points there mate.

However without comparing the current games won, lost, drawn, points etc to the short lived Walker reign, the way the team are currently playing is so similar to his team it's frightening.

The team appears to have collapsed, same as Walkers.

It's like watching a kids footy match, where some of the kids just stop playing after the fifth goal goes in against them.

The realty is that we're in a lot of trouble and I don't think Koeman is the man to get us out of it, having got us into it in the first place.

 

[Zatara]

It was January.

With a last minute winner versus Palace.

And yet many round these parts are confident of victory at Brighton.

Though their numbers are dwindling rapidly

he has to go for a win...so we will probably lose again.

 

[Khalekan]

You made some very bold statements in that post so it's fine.

Good man

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Or some of us who realise weve wasted 1.5 years on Valencias 'Mike Walker'' (if you class mike walker as the worst manager in our history).

AS for all these home records people keep posting about...check when we last won away in the league.

As I have always maintained 3 seasons is the generally accepted timescale to judge a manager( barring imminently disaster of course). You seem to be placing a time limit of 1 season and 2 months on this judgement, will this apply to all future managers?

 

[Zatara]

As I have always maintained 3 seasons is the generally accepted timescale to judge a manager( barring imminently disaster of course). You seem to be placing a time limit of 1 season and 2 months on this judgement, will this apply to all future managers?

So youre making up numbers now and saying theyre 'generally accepted'.


lol

 

[Donald Twain]

Anyone who thinks the state the club team and manager is on par with the Walker disaster clearly wasnt there!

 

[BrendanGOT]

So has he left like all the ITKs have said?

 

[Frang]

You make some very valid points there mate.

However without comparing the current games won, lost, drawn, points etc to the short lived Walker reign, the way the team are currently playing is so similar to his team it's frightening.

The team appears to have collapsed, same as Walkers.

It's like watching a kids footy match, where some of the kids just stop playing after the fifth goal goes in against them.

The realty is that we're in a lot of trouble and I don't think Koeman is the man to get us out of it, having got us into it in the first place.

Koeman and the board are all to blame. they have taken it in turns to drive us blindly into a dead end, and they are all out of the car looking aimlessly at eachother as to who the eff is going to have a go at reversing the car out of it.

 

[ijjysmith]

So has he left like all the ITKs have said?

lol

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

So youre making up numbers now and saying theyre 'generally accepted'.


lol

I always felt it was, but it's a fairly sensible criteria nonetheless. First season (usually) firefighting and assessing. Second season ,generally regarded as potentially the most difficult with the introduction of new players and possibly new playing style. Third season it's all his and should be ready to perform from day one. However if we are to condense this into just over one season, at least we should have the excitement of a new manager every season.

 

[Khalekan]

Anyone who thinks the state the club team and manager is on par with the Walker disaster clearly wasnt there!

Indeed.

Though I think comparisons with Walker, Walter and even Bobby are pointless.....the past is a foreign country.

We are were we are right now.

And from my perspective we are teetering on the brink of a very bad place, Don

There is a real possibility we will go into this Brighton game ensconced in the bottom three.

Who would have thought that before the season started, tough opening fixtures or not

 

[mkrudden]

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.co...tics-sigurdsson-rooney-bolasie-coleman-injury

Sorry if this has been posted already, work has been nuts and I'm also not quite sure where to put this but I think it's a good read with some interesting ideas. The emphasis on using Lennon out wide right until Coleman is back for the defensive contribution is an especially compelling argument for me at least. Also, as bad as things are if you look at the final lineup with Coleman and Bolasie back it looks pretty damn good. Add a striker and CB in the winter and it looks good. Can Koeman actually quit being so dang stubborn is the question

They aren't good line ups in my opinion mate but absolutely, everyone is entitled to one.

I am one of the few it seems that don't believe that having 3 number 10s in one team, being Klaassen, Rooney and Schneiderlin, is the crucial issue.

As i've mentioned before (as have others), Spurs don't play with out and out wingers. Lamela and Sissoko like to drift inside, as too does Eriksen. They've got Dele Alli and Son too.

What they have though in Dembele, Wanyama, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and, to a much lesser degree Dier who I think is an abomination of a CM, are players who get the ball forwards early to their flair players.

Rooney, Sig and Klaassen can all play one touch football. They are each technically very good. The issue I think is, the build up is so slow - mainly due to Schneiderlin and Williams, that the opposition can cluster in around the players in front of them that it becomes nigh on impossible for them to do anything with it.

Also, and to use an example from Spurs again, if a team sits off them and allows their defensive players space, Dembele will take the ball towards the congestion. The further he goes, the more uncomfortable the opposition gets and one of those banked players have to come out and meet him. Disruption. He then straight away looks for Eriksen etc or whoever is now in a few yards of space because the opponents have had to break ranks. Another option is going from CB to CF with a pass down the channel and building from there as Keane tries to do. But Spurs are constantly playing quickly and / or committing their opponents one way or the other,

Having an out of form Schneiderlin and a woeful Ashley Williams in the side, compounded by the lack of Coleman is what's hurting us the most. The former two are those who have to set the tone and but at the moment the tone they set is slow and ponderous.