Ronald Koeman discussion

[BrendanGOT]

lol

Must be easy being an ITK, just make stuff up and put "rumour is" or "I'm hearing" in front of it and that's it. Might start a twitter page just for jarg rumours and make a fortune off advertising, sounds like someone we know... lol good for a laugh isn't it mate!

 

[Lanolin]

As I have always maintained 3 seasons is the generally accepted timescale to judge a manager( barring imminently disaster of course). You seem to be placing a time limit of 1 season and 2 months on this judgement, will this apply to all future managers?

I agree with the theory of that, but it won't always work in practice.

Ideally I wouldn't want Koeman sacked now, because he's bought his own players in, and I like the idea of continuity. There has to be a reason why a manager gets that period though, something that makes you think it's worthwhile giving them time. Martinez basically got 3 years because of his first year, but I don't think anyone can argue now that we didn't just waste a year before the inevitable happened. He could easily have been sacked after his second season but we had to sit through another painful 12 months before it was finally accepted that what many had people had been saying for 12 months or more was true - he was useless. What's the point in doing that again?

If Koeman shows signs of building something good here then he should stay for at least the duration of his contract. If we carry on like we are then he should get sacked.

 

[royalblue66]

Ron couldn't scare me anymore if he was wearing an Halloween mask.

 

[COYBL25]

Must be easy being an ITK, just make stuff up and put "rumour is" or "I'm hearing" in front of it and that's it. Might start a twitter page just for jarg rumours and make a fortune off advertising, sounds like someone we know... lol good for a laugh isn't it mate!

The correct term is " Weaselling " mate

 

[Khalekan]

They aren't good line ups in my opinion mate but absolutely, everyone is entitled to one.

I am one of the few it seems that don't believe that having 3 number 10s in one team, being Klaassen, Rooney and Schneiderlin, is the crucial issue.

As i've mentioned before (as have others), Spurs don't play with out and out wingers. Lamela and Sissoko like to drift inside, as too does Eriksen. They've got Dele Alli and Son too.

What they have though in Dembele, Wanyama, Vertonghen, Alderweireld and, to a much lesser degree Dier who I think is an abomination of a CM, are players who get the ball forwards early to their flair players.

Rooney, Sig and Klaassen can all play one touch football. Their are each technically very good. The issue I think is, the build up is so slow - mainly due to Schneiderlin and Williams, that the opposition can cluster in around the players in front of them that it becomes nigh on impossible for them to do anything with it.

Also, and to use an example from Spurs again, if a team sits off them and allows their defensive players space, Dembele will take the ball towards the congestion. The further he goes, the more uncomfortable the opposition gets and one of those banked players have to come out and meet him. Disruption. He then straight away looks for Eriksen etc or whoever is now in a few yards of space because the opponents have had to break ranks. Another option is going from CB to CF with a pass down the channel and building from there as Keane tries to do. But Spurs are constantly playing quickly and / or committing their opponents one way or the other,

Having an out of form Schneiderlin and a woeful Ashley Williams in the side, compounded by the lack of Coleman is what's hurting us the most. The former two are those who have to set the tone and but at the moment the tone they set is slow and ponderous.

Love it, Krudders


It reads like sommat Scpio Africanus would have done when sending the Legions into battle against Hannibal's barbarians at the Battle of Zama.


Hannibal arranged his infantry in three phalangial lines designed to overlap the Roman lines. His strategy, so oft reliant upon subtle stratagems, was simple: a massive forward attack by the war elephants would create gaps in the Roman lines, which would be exploited by the infantry, supported by the cavalry.


Meeting of Hannibal and Scipio at Zama.


Rather than arranging his forces in the traditional manipular lines, which put the hastati, principes, and triarii in succeeding lines parallel to the enemy's line, Scipio instead put the maniples in lines perpendicular to the enemy, a stratagem designed to counter the war elephants. When the Carthaginian elephants charged, they found well laid traps before the Roman position and were greeted by Roman trumpeters, which drove many back out of confusion and fear.

 

[mkrudden]

Love it, Krudders


It reads like sommat Scpio Africanus would have done when sending the Legions into battle against Hannibal's barbarians at the Battle of Zama.


Hannibal arranged his infantry in three phalangial lines designed to overlap the Roman lines. His strategy, so oft reliant upon subtle stratagems, was simple: a massive forward attack by the war elephants would create gaps in the Roman lines, which would be exploited by the infantry, supported by the cavalry.


Meeting of Hannibal and Scipio at Zama.


Rather than arranging his forces in the traditional manipular lines, which put the hastati, principes, and triarii in succeeding lines parallel to the enemy's line, Scipio instead put the maniples in lines perpendicular to the enemy, a stratagem designed to counter the war elephants. When the Carthaginian elephants charged, they found well laid traps before the Roman position and were greeted by Roman trumpeters, which drove many back out of confusion and fear.

Love this mate. Enjoyed it with my mid-afternoon brew at work.

 

[ijjysmith]

Must be easy being an ITK, just make stuff up and put "rumour is" or "I'm hearing" in front of it and that's it. Might start a twitter page just for jarg rumours and make a fortune off advertising, sounds like someone we know... lol good for a laugh isn't it mate!

@Sportofact

 

[Frang]

@Sportofact

dave seed mate ?? 100% in the knower him. so I heared.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Love it, Krudders


It reads like sommat Scpio Africanus would have done when sending the Legions into battle against Hannibal's barbarians at the Battle of Zama.


Hannibal arranged his infantry in three phalangial lines designed to overlap the Roman lines. His strategy, so oft reliant upon subtle stratagems, was simple: a massive forward attack by the war elephants would create gaps in the Roman lines, which would be exploited by the infantry, supported by the cavalry.


Meeting of Hannibal and Scipio at Zama.


Rather than arranging his forces in the traditional manipular lines, which put the hastati, principes, and triarii in succeeding lines parallel to the enemy's line, Scipio instead put the maniples in lines perpendicular to the enemy, a stratagem designed to counter the war elephants. When the Carthaginian elephants charged, they found well laid traps before the Roman position and were greeted by Roman trumpeters, which drove many back out of confusion and fear.

This Hannibal sounds like my type of manager. Imagine unleashing death , destruction and war elephants on the RS. Is he available?

 

[Khalekan]

This Hannibal sounds like my type of manager. Imagine unleashing death , destruction and war elephants on the RS. Is he available?

lol

 

[BlueToff]

We recorded out records point total? I'm not sure how we bottled it considering any other year would have got us in the champions league and in terms of winning games it was our best ever premier league season. It's easy to say we bottled it but when the team league wise performed better than any other team since 1989 (?) And only lost out based on simply arsenal pushing the bar to essentially title race levels then that is us simply not being good enough.

In fact we would have only been 6 points off the actual winners of the league if we had done it! I'm sorry but that isn't bottling by any means, essentially it is complaining we didn't challenge for the title that season.

It was a fantastic year.

But we did bottle it.

We had that game in hand. It was down to us at that stage - we weren't relying on favours from others or anything.

Fully on side with @ijjysmith here

 

[BlueToff]

With respect, McGeady was never 'watchable', he was a fat useless lump of excrescence.

Apart from the Deulofeu one a few seasons back, McGeady did probably the best throughball any Everton player has done in years when he played in Kev against Fulham.

Was boss.

 

[nsno-chris]

Or some of us who realise weve wasted 1.5 years on Valencias 'Mike Walker'' (if you class mike walker as the worst manager in our history).

AS for all these home records people keep posting about...check when we last won away in the league.

Where have I mentioned Home records zatmania. Will you be secretly celebrating if we lose, a little jig and a coke

 

[Zatara]

I always felt it was, but it's a fairly sensible criteria nonetheless. First season (usually) firefighting and assessing. Second season ,generally regarded as potentially the most difficult with the introduction of new players and possibly new playing style. Third season it's all his and should be ready to perform from day one. However if we are to condense this into just over one season, at least we should have the excitement of a new manager every season.

You have to show progress OR change being effected to bring progress...

Koeman hasn't done that since he joined...

 

[hetion]

Apart from the Deulofeu one a few seasons back, McGeady did probably the best throughball any Everton player has done in years when he played in Kev against Fulham.

Was boss.

I still daydream occasionally about that eye of the needle pass from Del through two West Ham (I think) players to set up Rom.

Can't be having any of that though, best freeze him out of the team and ship him out on loan to Milan just after our other main wide player gets a year-long injury. Thanks Ron.

Edit: here it is. Ahhhh.