Ronald Koeman discussion

[Little Ralphy]

When you have 5-6 players like sandro, klassen, sigurdsson, Keane, pickford all arriving and regarded as the best or close to from their respective teams, arriving into a team which was far better than the teams they came from in terms of other players already there, then the failure of pretty much them all to perform comes down to the manager.

Simple as that really, change manager, and guarantee that at least some would start showing their quality.

I thought Pickford played well to be honest. Sandro and Klaasen were always going to take time to settle in this league, that's why they get more game time in Europe. Sigurdsson is taking more time to settle than he should, perhaps cos of a different role and Keane has no excuse, especially considering the majority of our defence are English speakers as well. I don't see how that's all down to the manager.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

I see the club has managed to identify & ban the bloke with the baby.


The fat chump in the dugout has been criminal all season. Sort it out Moshiri!!!!

 

[Frankie Four Fingers]

I think he even knows it's gone past the point of no return

thing is he's not going to walk away as he stands to lose a fortune

 

[Little Ralphy]

I see the club has managed to identify & ban the bloke with the baby.


The fat chump in the dugout has been criminal all season. Sort it out Moshiri!!!!

Did the baby get banned as well? harsh like.

 

[Lanolin]

It was a communication error between two new signings who probably don't speak the same language (I'd imagine Martina speaks good english but Sandro couldn't speak a word when he joined).

Look what has happened after that goal. We've left a winger glide past us in the box and, as you rightly say, let a striker drift off the front of our other CB in the 6 yard box.

The defending by those two CBs was far more criminal.

I would imagine Martina can speak passable Spanish as it's quite widely spoken in Curacao. Even if he can't speak it himself he will be well used to playing with teammates who do so I don't think we can give them that excuse.

I think Sandro did some good things last night - a couple of the crosses were excellent - but that was mixed in with some really really awful things too, like heavy touches and poor lay offs.

 

[bluestevon]

I saw a marginal improvement last night, I saw a tactical change too - the subs reflected that. What worries me is the utter lack of co ordination amongst the players. Look at this from last night.

Koeman remonstrated with the officials - look at our lids in total anguish too.
We are a shambles at the moment and to blame Koeman alone is adding to it

That pic from full time mate? If so worrying as hell

 

[BernieWright13]

I honestly hope he doesn't play Rooney. I know he will but I'd just rather he didn't. The game was so much quicker without him, and we seemed to have a better shape - until all the changes obviously.

But yeah hopefully Davies comes in, I'm unsure on Mirallas, if he can do it again like the first half then yeah, but so often we've seen he can't.

Exactly. Rooney slows down an already sluggish team especially when Tom Davies, Kev or Lookman aren't playing.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Ha well yeah, I don't even know if Mike Walker is still with us to be honest.

Still with us I believe.

Good comparison actually. We sacked him early enough to still salvage something from the season.

 

[Little Ralphy]

I accept that mate but was there reason enough to him to remonstrate with the ref like he did ? To me That’s a bloke who just struggling .

Possibly mate. But we've all been in that situation when we felt the ref has been influenced too much by the opposition, I'll bet not many have just walked away and accepted it.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Think they have actually mate, the thing I think which started us playing with a bit of passion last night was mirallas and Davies both deciding f it and the team responded to that effort and to a degree the crowd getting a bit livelier.

Nothing to do with anything coming from or for the manager imo

Or Mirallas and Davies both responding to being given a chance by the manager to stake a claim for regular starts.

 

[Barnfred 55]

For me it was a similar feel to when Martinez was near the end and he played a few kids in a home game to try get the crowd off his back - which actually worked kinda as well from memory.

One of the next two games will see us getting really pumped - maybe both and that should be him gone.

By that stage we will be out of two comps and in relegation zone in the third though.

The similarity to the last 3 months of Martinez reign is scary, which is why I think so many are calling for his head now.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Beat Arsenal.

I know, I know...

Alright, stop laughing.

Say we beat Arsenal, we go to 11 points, 2 behind Arsenal who are currently 6th and level on points with Chelsea/Liverpool.

Yes, we've had a shambolic start to the season, but I still think a lot of this is applicable;

https://www.grandoldteam.com/2017/09/11/early-days/

Particularly;

On Saturday, in Pickford, Martina, Keane, Klaassen, Rooney, Sigurdsson and Ramirez – Everton started with SEVEN summer signings – contrast that with Spurs, with just one new arrival in their starting eleven.

Is it any wonder Everton look so fractured? We’re not far off a team of strangers.

Everton were in a league of their own last season – sat in 7th, 15 points clear of 8th and 8 away from 6th.

We needed to make big changes to have any hope of competing with the teams above us.

We’ve made a lot of those changes and the new lads need time, and opportunity to perform before being so readily, and conclusive written off.

You don’t give a manager the autonomy to make such sweeping changes and then look to change it after four league games, more so considering the opponents in those games;

Most will agree we needed big changes to move away from Premier League purgatory - the board made a hack job of it - we were left without 2 vital parts which Koeman was publicly begging for - a centre half and a striker.

Injuries are part of the game but we've had a rough run - only Man United have more and our list would get in to a lot of sides in Coleman, Mori, Bolasie, McCarthy, Barkley...

I'm not a Koeman fan - I didn't want him feeling his stint at Southampton wasn't enough when you considered his dismal effort at Valencia/Benfica - but last night I saw;

• An improvement in performance.
• Flexibility/bravery in changes.
• Players who fought for their manager - quite literally.
• A manager who showed he gave a damn.

I'm not convinced on Everton's board because it is the same setup we've known and loved for a long time except Alexander Ryazantsev - I'm not convinced they have any Plan B after Koeman.

If not Koeman, who?

"Anyone" - nonsense.
Ancelotti? Keep dreaming.
Unsworth? - would be my pick, but I think there will be better timing...

Traditionalists will nod towards Dyche, Allardyce - others even Benitez. The football hipsters tell us Paulo Fonseca, some even was tweeting GrandOldTeam saying Mikel Arteta...

 

[billyblue80]

What's worrying is that we don't look like scoring more than one goal each game.We are Leicester of last year before they sacked Ranieri.

 

[bluestevon]

Beat Arsenal.

I know, I know...

Alright, stop laughing.

Say we beat Arsenal, we go to 11 points, 2 behind Arsenal who are currently 6th and level on points with Chelsea/Liverpool.

Yes, we've had a shambolic start to the season, but I still think a lot of this is applicable;

https://www.grandoldteam.com/2017/09/11/early-days/

Particularly;



Most will agree we needed big changes to move away from Premier League purgatory - the board made a hack job of it - we were left without 2 vital parts which Koeman was publicly begging for - a centre half and a striker.

Injuries are part of the game but we've had a rough run - only Man United have more and our list would get in to a lot of sides in Coleman, Mori, Bolasie, McCarthy, Barkley...

I'm not a Koeman fan - I didn't want him feeling his stint at Southampton wasn't enough when you considered his dismal effort at Valencia/Benfica - but last night I saw;

• An improvement in performance.
• Flexibility/bravery in changes.
• Players who fought for their manager - quite literally.
• A manager who showed he gave a damn.

I'm not convinced on Everton's board because it is the same setup we've known and loved for a long time except Alexander Ryazantsev - I'm not convinced they have any Plan B after Koeman.

If not Koeman, who?

"Anyone" - nonsense.
Ancelotti? Keep dreaming.
Unsworth? - would be my pick, but I think there will be better timing...

Traditionalists will nod towards Dyche, Allardyce - others even Benitez. The football hipsters tell us Paulo Fonseca, some even was tweeting GrandOldTeam saying Mikel Arteta...

How about Unsworth with arteta as assistant manager?

Arteta is certainly really highly regarded by all accounts and it'd give him a next step up from city importance wise...

 

[Bungle]

Beat Arsenal.

I know, I know...

Alright, stop laughing.

Traditionalists will nod towards Dyche, Allardyce - others even Benitez. The football hipsters tell us Paulo Fonseca, some even was tweeting GrandOldTeam saying Mikel Arteta...

Pretty much the only part of your post that makes sense to me.