Ronald Koeman discussion

[Deleted member 28206]

Not very good is it

I think once we are out of Europe and out of the cup which both look likely, Mosh won’t have any choice. So it will get worse before it gets better.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

In fairness I didn't see a team last night that had given up on the manager.

That was Martinez.

They haven't done that. They just don't seem to know what they are doing or - as well as that - they aren't good enough to implement the instructions Koeman has given.

Good managers adapts their tactics and game plan to get the best out of the players they have and Koeman has failed to do that this season. This is his team now, he's had nearly 200m spent on players since he's come in as manager and i refuse to believe he hasn't had a say on who was signed and who wasn't and if the players he choses to bring in aren't good enough to play his brand of football and carry out his instructions (whatever they may be) then he's a numpty..... he's a numpty anyway but he's an even bigger one.

 

[COYBL25]

I think once we are out of Europe and out of the cup which both look likely, Mosh won’t have any choice. So it will get worse before it gets better.

You have to hit the bottom sometimes before you come back up, although I did think those days were over tbh.

The new manager, who ever he is, has got one very big mess to sort out.

 

[Little Ralphy]

I thought that spell after it kicked off we looked better. More intensity, more desire, moving the ball quicker.

Quite liked Sigurdsson deeper too, picking up the ball and playing forwards.

Some positives there, definitely.

I hope we stick with him.

That mistake by Sandro/Martina killed us. The mentality is so fragile at the minute you could see the whole team and ground deflate when it went in.

There were positives to take from it though, he gave other lads a chance and some of them took it. Still the same mistakes by some though.

 

[bluestevon]

Thats how it looked to me too. We ended up with 6 attack minded players on the pitch along with overlapping FBs. Not surprising they were good on the counter really.

For me it was a similar feel to when Martinez was near the end and he played a few kids in a home game to try get the crowd off his back - which actually worked kinda as well from memory.

One of the next two games will see us getting really pumped - maybe both and that should be him gone.

 

[kiss the crest]

I saw a marginal improvement last night, I saw a tactical change too - the subs reflected that. What worries me is the utter lack of co ordination amongst the players. Look at this from last night.

Koeman remonstrated with the officials - look at our lids in total anguish too.
We are a shambles at the moment and to blame Koeman alone is adding to it

Holgate laughing, must mean a lot to him this club, can you imagine Peter Ried acting like this after a defeat

 

[mkrudden]

That mistake by Sandro/Martina killed us. The mentality is so fragile at the minute you could see the whole team and ground deflate when it went in.

There were positives to take from it though, he gave other lads a chance and some of them took it. Still the same mistakes by some though.

Agreed Ralphy although for all his fighting and heading last night, the defending from Williams when being faced up was dire. Traore just floated past him.

Thought Sandro looked bright, Lookman too. Belgian Kev too.

Lots of positives.

 

[Little Ralphy]

For me it was a similar feel to when Martinez was near the end and he played a few kids in a home game to try get the crowd off his back - which actually worked kinda as well from memory.

One of the next two games will see us getting really pumped - maybe both and that should be him gone.

Possibly. I thought it was more a case of giving others a chance to stake a claim for a first team spot cos certain players haven't been performing. Mirallas in the first half you could see was really pushing his case, Davies was trying too.

 

[BlueToff]

Good managers adapts their tactics and game plan to get the best out of the players they have and Koeman has failed to do that this season. This is his team now, he's had nearly 200m spent on players since he's come in as manager and i refuse to believe he hasn't had a say on who was signed and who wasn't and if the players he choses to bring in aren't good enough to play his brand of football and carry out his instructions (whatever they may be) then he's a numpty..... he's a numpty anyway but he's an even bigger one.

Nobody with any sense is saying he didn't have a say on who signed.

But I think it is fair to say he was let down by Walsh and the board in not getting a striker in.

That being said I'm not at all forgiving him for not having a plan B.

 

[BlueToff]

Agreed Ralphy although for all his fighting and heading last night, the defending from Williams when being faced up was dire. Traore just floated past him.

Thought Sandro looked bright, Lookman too. Belgian Kev too.

Lots of positives.

Sandro was awful mate. We fell apart down that side after he came on.

 

[mkrudden]

Holgate laughing, must mean a lot to him this club, can you imagine Peter Ried acting like this after a defeat

Taking a massive swing in the dark, i'd imagine that the french chap is referencing the 'brawl' and the atmosphere and the pair of them are stating "no hard feelings".

 

[BlueToff]

Possibly. I thought it was more a case of giving others a chance to stake a claim for a first team spot cos certain players haven't been performing. Mirallas in the first half you could see was really pushing his case, Davies was trying too.

Both deserve starting places as they offer us something different to what we have.

Schneiderlin will probably miss Sunday.

I'd go with a back three of Keane - Williams - Jags, with Davies as wing-back. Gueye in front of the defence with Sigurdsson pushed on slightly - Rooney, Mirallas and DCL front three.

 

[jceverton]

Exactly.

He's lost the players. He's out of ideas

Sacking him is just pure mercy for him

And us mate!

 

[Little Ralphy]

Agreed Ralphy although for all his fighting and heading last night, the defending from Williams when being faced up was dire. Traore just floated past him.

Thought Sandro looked bright, Lookman too. Belgian Kev too.

Lots of positives.

I think that was one of the notable differences between the 2 sides, they were a lot more mobile, especially when breaking forward. Everton need to work on their recruitment and stop signing players who can barely move.

Williams didn't cover himself in glory for that goal, and should have done better, but so should Keane, the mistake from Sandro/Martina was criminal!

 

[Harryflashman]

I saw a marginal improvement last night, I saw a tactical change too - the subs reflected that. What worries me is the utter lack of co ordination amongst the players. Look at this from last night.

Koeman remonstrated with the officials - look at our lids in total anguish too.
We are a shambles at the moment and to blame Koeman alone is adding to it

I think pictures can sometimes be taken out of context but at face value that one is fairly illuminating. Koeman complaining to a referee when he had no real complaints because he’s struggling badly trying to make sense or rationalise a terrible situation whilst holgate one of our worst performers on the pitch is laughing seeming not to care a bit.