Ronald Koeman discussion

[Lanolin]

I disagree to a certain extent. The issue we had with the summer was not who we signed individually but as a collective.

Said it the other day but take klassen, in and out the team, how us he meant to settle and claim a place if 4 days later he is dropped again? Klassen would have been a good signing if we didn't then make him 4th choice within 2 months! In fact individually

Sandro - good young cheap striker. Low risk high reward. No system in mind to fit him in

Klassen - every attribute on paper we wanted for a player, replaced him 3 times in 2 months

Siggurson- brilliant player for a centre forward, failed to sign centre forward

Rooney- pretty much not given anything to work with attacking wise

Pickford - crap defence in front of him

Keane- has Williams as a partner

Vlasic - the one player who has actually stood out for me so far despite the team

Martina - terrible footballer, never should have signed him.

I know what you mean, but the point being made is whether they were necessary. The very fact that we keep dropping Klaassen tells me it wasn't necessary to buy him, because if it was, he'd be in the team every week wouldn't he? We're dropping him because the manager is thinking maybe Tom Davies, a player we already had, can do a better job. If that's the case, he was not a necessary signing. Same with Sandro, it's only high reward if he's any good isn't it. He's got time to get better, but we signed him as a striker and 16 games in he hasn't scored. Meanwhile Niasse has got 3 in about 100 minutes of football, so did we need him?

This isn't to say these are bad players or anything like that, simply to refute the argument that the amount of new players are 'mitigating circumstances'. That may be the case if we'd had to go out and buy them all, but we didn't, so it's not.

 

[Thomasc]

In fairness to Koeman Chazzle, he has made the changes the fans wanted.

I said this last night.

As much as we bemoan every team selection, he's actually done what we've asked of him.

He dropped two DMs. He went with the youngsters. He brought pace and energy into the side.

It still didn't work.

That's a combination of having no plan, and ultimately having players who aren't good enough - I think we have to accept that as well.

I have been a Koeman flag waver all along as you know mate.

However I think the only thing now that can upturn the season is a Heath at Oxford type moment which needs to happen Sunday, or we simply need to change the manager.

He is coming across as very dull, uninspiring and it looks like he does not know what to do with the tools he has. The players he brought in look shot and bereft of confidence, which is a result of the former.

We have enough quality around the pitch, but we need another centre half and a striker in January, minimum.

 

[nsno-chris]

So you are saying if I am useless as an Everton manager there is a chance I could get thinner and more hairy.

Miracle breakthrough!

It looks that way, let’s see what happens to Sean Dyche when he takes over.

He’s already bald and fat

 

[Papa Shango]

No. Just no.

Nearly as bad as the Fat Sam and Warnock suggestions.

I'll take it that comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Otherwise you'd better go and stick your head in a tumble dryer until you stop muttering nonsense.

Ha well yeah, I don't even know if Mike Walker is still with us to be honest.

 

[Papa Shango]

However I think the only thing now that can upturn the season is a Heath at Oxford type moment which needs to happen Sunday, or we simply need to change the manager.

We already had the moment with Niasse against Bournemouth. The club was buzzing over that for a bit and then we just went back to being rubbish again which is worrying.

 

[Thomasc]

We already had the moment with Niasse against Bournemouth. The club was buzzing over that for a bit and then we just went back to being rubbish again which is worrying.

Yep, can't argue with that Mr Shango, there is absolutely nothing coming from these players or management to make you think it is going to turn just now.

 

[jceverton]

In fairness to Koeman Chazzle, he has made the changes the fans wanted.

I said this last night.

As much as we bemoan every team selection, he's actually done what we've asked of him.

He dropped two DMs. He went with the youngsters. He brought pace and energy into the side.

It still didn't work.

That's a combination of having no plan, and ultimately having players who aren't good enough - I think we have to accept that as well.

Really no - its not just a matter of picking a team/formation. We have players who simply do not know what they are meant to be doing, are not well drilled and coached, a culture of fear from what I see with a manger with no man management skills. We have more than enough good players to be playing good entertaining football and winning matches we just do not have a manager worth a carrot.

 

[kenada_blue]

Really no - its not just a matter of picking a team/formation. We have players who simply do not know what they are meant to be doing, are not well drilled and coached, a culture of fear from what I see with a manger with no man management skills. We have more than enough good players to be playing good entertaining football and winning matches we just do not have a manager worth a carrot.

Exactly.

He's lost the players. He's out of ideas

Sacking him is just pure mercy for him

 

[Pabbers]

Horses for courses. We’re a basket case. Do you think Ancelotti would come?

Just think Allardyce could quickly get us back to basics. Put us back on track this season.

Only 2 managers in the world are their ??

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

In fairness to Koeman Chazzle, he has made the changes the fans wanted.

I said this last night.

As much as we bemoan every team selection, he's actually done what we've asked of him.

He dropped two DMs. He went with the youngsters. He brought pace and energy into the side.

It still didn't work.

That's a combination of having no plan, and ultimately having players who aren't good enough - I think we have to accept that as well.

I agree, to be fair he has made the changes... but the team is still doing nothing he "says" he wants from them.

I was sat not far away from him and he is literally not part of it, its almost embarrassing to watch. the only time me moans is when he turns to the bench, then the times he does talk to the players they ignore him.

He hasn't got a clue how to set the team up and put a rod up their arses to move and do what he is asking. The argument about the players maybe not being good enough is potentially valid, however, players who have no plan or identity or any clear mission on the pitch is worse.

It looks like they have given up on him.

 

[Pabbers]

I'd accept it if it was just for the remainder of the season on a short term contract, with the proper new manager coming in after the World Cup

He'd kick us into shape and leave a well organised side for the next bloke to pick up

It wouldn't be the end of the world. At least we'd play with more bollocks than we are right now

No, just no no no no no.

The man is a disgrace of a human, no thanks.

Unsworth will do.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Has the cow-head been sacked yet? I reckon if arsenal pump us he's out the door

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The whole place is now completely toxic, and it's waiting for the inevitable to happen.

He's a dead man walking, just put him out of his misery and let's get the toxic cloud to lift, as it'll bring a sense of optimism back and the fans will get behind the players again.

It needs to happen today for me, but I reckon it'll be next week after we've lost another 2 games. Not looking forward to going on Sunday ffs.

 

[JJK]

You could tell the players don’t have a clue what they are doing from the get go. Both holgate and martina ran over to right back, Williams had to tell martina he was on the left.

 

[Thomasc]

No, just no no no no no.

The man is a disgrace of a human, no thanks.

Unsworth will do.

I know mate, I agree with you......but! Needs must at times.

For a start we don't know how Unsworth is with the senior players. He simply may be out of his depth, it is too big a gamble.

We get a decent manager in asap who sees us as a project and gives everybody a lift. I would prefer that than Allardyce, but I would have to still take the tit over Unsworth just because of his experience and his ability to get the best out of players is proven.

But just to be clear, we are talking drastic measures here before I would accept Allardyce.