Ronald Koeman discussion

[kithnou]

No I'm trying to put a little perspective on what finishing 9th and out of both cups early actually constitutes.

Failure. Grounds for a sacking.

 

[Goat]

I had all that, plus I dropped loads of hints that I'd of liked to have met up for a pint, we didn't and Martinez Martinez'd us.

Absolute 'sake

I couldnt make any plans cos I didnt have a clue what was happening once we got down there, in the end it was a complete disaster from start to finish, I knew it was gonna be a bad day when the coach had to turn round cos somebody had forgot their ticket, stupid El Fraudo tool.

But im very approachable, I meet loads of lids all the time, you only have to drop me a PM.

xxx

 

[ianefc]

I couldnt make any plans cos I didnt have a clue what was happening once we got down there, in the end it was a complete disaster from start to finish, I knew it was gonna be a bad day when the coach had to turn round cos somebody had forgot their ticket, stupid El Fraudo tool.

But im very approachable, I meet loads of lids all the time, you only have to drop me a PM.

xxx

One day.

 

[captainvindaloo]

I'm just trying put a little perspective on what koeman is accomplishing here. Clearly like everyone else I viewed Martinez as a total fraud.

More perspective: Mourihno net spend so far £142,500,000 - Current position 7th
Koeman net spend so far (minus)-£2,400,000 - Current position 6th
Numbers according to transferleague.co.uk

Look how many on here, during the summer of madness, coveted old pout lips and his big money transfers.

This is how it is right now. It may all make sense come May, but until then, lets keep our heads on.

 

[mkrudden]

You cannot say that sentence, and then say he was fine. Giving away two ridiculous penalties in one game is an automatic droppable offence as far as I'm concerned. Then he was all over the place at Burnley too.

Oh Michael. Of course I can.

 

[Zatara]

My worry is that Puel has walked into Southampton and basically picked up where Koeman left off. They've been a top 8 team for half a decade now. Maybe Koeman didn't have as big an influence there as is commonly assumed.

They have a fantastic business model which suits them and they pick managers to fit into their model.

 

[Zatara]

Ok by the looks of it, my point is that it's exciting that Koeman found these players.

Which players did he find Ian? Are you referring to those which Southamptons Director of football brings into the club?

Theyve got a very public business model which the managers fit into...its not as if Koeman went and signed most of those players, i imagine he has recommended the signings of some but certainly not all...

It appears that for us Bolasie was someone he wanted and Gueye was Walsh's choice for example...

 

[Zatara]

As for koemans influence. Half his team and all its best players were sold under his watch. Rebuilt the team with the likes of VD, Mane and Tadic. Let's hope he buys similar quality for us.

He didnt rebuild the Southampton team.

 

[neil999]

He didnt rebuild the Southampton team.

he may not have picked the players, but he got them to play well together..so y'know

 

[ijjysmith]

he may not have picked the players, but he got them to play well together..so y'know

And if people think he has literally nothing to do with which players come in then that's mental.

 

[Thomasc]

I'm just trying put a little perspective on what koeman is accomplishing.

After 9 games? Erm yeah ok, that's so sensible of you (shakes head in disbelief)

 

[davek]

I see the other popular choices for our manager post Martinez have all had terrible starts at clubs where they should be doing much better -

Mourihno
De Boer
Emery
Pellegrini
Tuchel

We will see how this pans out, but Koeman has outperformed all of these in terms of squad ability to expectation this season.

@Timak mentioned Tuchel a season or so back and I sort of scoffed at it. I was wrong. He went in seamlessly to that Dortmund job and had them playing first time of asking, and this season they're doing ok too and will defo finish RU again despite being 4 points off it now. They're playing well in the CL too. Out of all those mentioned there I'd take Tuchel in a heartbeat. His teams are exciting to watch...unlike our one right now.

 

[toffeeblue9]

@Timak mentioned Tuchel a season or so back and I sort of scoffed at it. I was wrong. He went in seamlessly to that Dortmund job and had them playing first time of asking, and this season they're doing ok too and will defo finish RU again despite being 4 points off it now. They're playing well in the CL too. Out of all those mentioned there I'd take Tuchel in a heartbeat. His teams are exciting to watch...unlike our one right now.

Can we save this?

 

[davek]

Can we save this?

I have no problem saying I'm wrong. I've done so half a dozen times.

 

[Carlito]

Yeah, what a disaster....oh no, it wasn't.

Three seasons:

PL points record
LC and FA Cup runs
EL run
...yes, and two mid table finishes

It was clear at the end of his first season that Martinez was in fact a Moyes in sheep's clothing. There were more similarities between them than you think.

Have CL qualification in your own hands, and then proceed to completely blow it? Check.

Get turfed out of every cup competition at the first sign of difficult opposition? Check.

Stick religiously to whatever the vogue formation is, regardless of whether it actually suits the players? Check.

Routine humiliations at Anfield? Check.