Ronald Koeman discussion

[Brennan]

Besic lol

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

No Mikey.

Yes Goat

 

[Goat]

Do you think he'd go 3 at the back and match Chelsea's system.
Jags Williams Mori

Coleman Barry Barkley Oviedo

Lennon Rom Bolasie

No idea really, its certainly possible, but if hes got any sense he will overload the wings.

Besic lol

?????

Yes Goat

Honestly the nicest thing I can think of is that he reminds me of The Clev, decent footballer, but a nothing player in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Simon baker]

My thinking is the same - probably Jags in for Mori unless we go three at the back and try and match Chelsea up with a 3-4-3/5-4-1...

We have options, we've just lost the best player that fits into all the systems you could think would help us counter them though.

Kev - for all the stick he got the other day - actually linked play very well if you look back, and I think Lennon may also be a good option.

Jags always looks like he is going to wet his pants when he plays against Costa Mori keeps his place for me

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

No idea really, its certainly possible, but if hes got any sense he will overload the wings.



?????


Honestly the nicest thing I can think of is that he reminds me of The Clev, decent footballer, but a nothing player in the grand scheme of things.

Have faith in young Davies mate

I know he's not 30, an attacking midfielder and Portuguese, but that doesn't mean he isn't up to taking on The Chelsea

Believe in our kids

 

[ToffeeTim]

Just get Lukaku on those utter no marks cahill and luiz and have a go at them.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Have faith in young Davies mate

I know he's not 30, an attacking midfielder and Portuguese, but that doesn't mean he isn't up to taking on The Chelsea

Believe in our kids

To be honest I'd forgotten all about Davies as an alternative for Gana. Sadly I'd think cleverley would get the nod if koeman goes for the 2 holding players as Davies has barely featured even off the bench this season.

 

[Goat]

Have faith in young Davies mate

I know he's not 30, an attacking midfielder and Portuguese, but that doesn't mean he isn't up to taking on The Chelsea

Believe in our kids

No Mikey, not anymore, ive seen enough of them get hyped to know how it all ends.

 

[Tel001]

Ray Wilkins was a guest on SSN yesterday morning reviewing the weekend football. He was quite complimentary of Koeman as a manager but also Everton as a club, which surprised me as I've always found him to be quite dismissive of us in the past.

Basically he said that if Koeman can achieve European qualification at Southampton, then he can achieve at least that at a bigger club like Everton with a much better squad at his disposal.

When asked if we could challenge for the league he said possibly, but that we're more likely to be challenging for CL place, especially if we strengthen in January.

Praise indeed from an unlikely source.

Reckon he must be back on the ale

 

[Tel001]

No, not a genius mate, just a good manager. Which is what he was and is. But you keep calling him a fraud. Lol.

What evidence is there that he's a good manager?

All of his seasons in management his teams actually get worse the longer he is there...

 

[Tel001]

It cant be left in the past, his first season record here still stands. A massive irritation to his foaming detractors, I know, but true nonetheless.

I should add though that the Martinez stuff should be in the appropriate world forum thread.

What record? Points don't mean anything at the end of the season... league placing does... would you rather finish a season in second place with 80 points or first with 70?

You keep saying he gave us our best ever prem season... he didn't ... Moyes got 4th ...RM didn't ... and that one fluke season he couldn't repeat... he finished 11th twice... surely that is a more accurate reading of his management skills?

 

[YMJ]

What some refuse to recognise is that the record points were built on adding an effective attacking game to a solid defence that still remembered the drills and rigour of Moyes. (That allowed him to hit the ground running.)The longer Martinez worked with the players the more the ability to defend was coached out of the defence during that first year and we fell away towards the end of the season and got worse from then on. ( At times towards the end he could barely walk.....and neither could the team)

I find it funny how some people refuse to recognise that many of the problems Koeman is facing is undoing the damage inflicted on the defensive qualities and fitness of the team by Martinez whilst not recognising that much of the early success of Martinez was due to the solid work Moyes had done with the defence.

Given time I think Koeman will redress the balance and we will have a defensively solid team that is dangerous and entertaining in attack. ( that's just waiting to be vaulted at some point) and as for Pochettino he didn't hit the ground running at Spurs...to begin with a lot of the players struggled with the style he wanted to play and the fans were unsure he was as good as he has turned out to be for them..... Which sounds familiar to what some seem to think about Koeman at the moment.

 

[Zatara]

I don't get this debate.

Surely we all want to be "entertained" whilst winning but it is winning first for me and winning by any and all means.

There is an expectation of entertainment yes, but football is generally a bit an anomaly in that respect - you would think that all professional footballers would be capable of producing stuff that can't be seen down the park - but this is plainly not the case and is one of the absurdities of the game.

It is ridiculous even in the Premier League that there is still a general distinction between creative/flair players and more or less, runners, and/or hardmen - those who have very little ability with a football at all but can just be relied upon for effort - with their five figure weekly salaries. I don't dislike that type of player in fact they tend to become folk heroes more often that not - I think part of the reason for the global appeal of the PL is due to its pace and physicality - attributes that teams can incorporate to go towards levelling the playing field to an extent with more illustrious opponents.

Look at Big Joe's Dogs of War - you might well scoff at the entertainment value of that side or would you? Not pretty on the eye but very effective - for me its entertaining when we win, even though most of the time for a purist we could do far better. That team, limited as it was, and cup win will stand out for me in terms of entertainment value unless and until the next winning Everton side comes along.

Winning matches is very entertaining indeed.

Royle played Limpar and later Kanchelskis, Speed and others...

 

[Zatara]

I didn't see the last few months that way mate. He had injuries to contend with a lot of the third season and he patched up a defence that was badly affected. And Deulofeu was never a nailed on starter at any time in his three seasons here. I wouldn't see Lennon's signing as anything but positive. He turns defence into attack a lot better than Deulofeu and that's why he was brought in. RM retained that core belief in controlling the ball and the game and only took out Stones for the lad's own good in the end.

This notion that he didn't do that is alien to me. Wasn't Martinez hung drawn and quartered because he was said to be too stubborn to move away from core principles?

As for where we lacked squad wise: I agree with you, they were positions that needed new players in...which is why I've said earlier that this was Martinez's big failure: his reluctance to have a clean sweep of the players he inherited off Moyes...something he should have done when his stock was sky high at the end of his first season here.

I'll always give Martinez (or any other manager) credit for trying to play the right way. They have the instincts I like to see. Go for broke, take all three points. If it doesn't work out then you might lose and you take that...and you might even lose your job. And that is something I'm sure Martinez factored in and accepted.

If Martinez had made a clean sweep of the players then how much money would he have made in sales to bring in superior players?

It looked to me that he spent his money wisely bar niasse and cobbled together money for some players whilst needing to take a punt on others

 

[Zatara]

What some refuse to recognise is that the record points were built on adding an effective attacking game to a solid defence that still remembered the drills and rigour of Moyes. (That allowed him to hit the ground running.)The longer Martinez worked with the players the more the ability to defend was coached out of the defence during that first year and we fell away towards the end of the season and got worse from then on. ( At times towards the end he could barely walk.....and neither could the team)

I find it funny how some people refuse to recognise that many of the problems Koeman is facing is undoing the damage inflicted on the defensive qualities and fitness of the team by Martinez whilst not recognising that much of the early success of Martinez was due to the solid work Moyes had done with the defence.

Given time I think Koeman will redress the balance and we will have a defensively solid team that is dangerous and entertaining in attack. ( that's just waiting to be vaulted at some point) and as for Pochettino he didn't hit the ground running at Spurs...to begin with a lot of the players struggled with the style he wanted to play and the fans were unsure he was as good as he has turned out to be for them..... Which sounds familiar to what some seem to think about Koeman at the moment.

Martinez side played totally differently to Moyes side...