Ronald Koeman discussion

[MikeH72]

Just for a bit of fun...
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...g-premier-league-title-says-premier-predictor

2% chance, or as I'd rather put it, double the chance of Man Utd lol
You know, that team who spent a fortune on one player? What was that about 'net spend', Koemoaners?

Ha, I would take that league table right now

 

[bicycleheader]

So Koeman changede tactics at City when he saw their team and how offensive it was. Thats good management, because it worked and we got a point

I don't think the point is that it's bad management...at least it shouldn't be. It was practical and got a draw in what you would say is the toughest fixture in the league, but we shouldn't forget they had the chances to bury us even though we apparently set up to be solid.

The point is, for me, that we should attempt to be more in the game against such opposition and not offer up possession so easily through such direct balls to the front. That however, is just my personal preference, and maybe we will see that kind of performance once Ronald Van Der Koeman has been here a bit longer and extricated the crap from our squad.

For me it's like when Trapattoni started with Ireland. I knew I wasn't going to like it one bit and wouldn't enjoy watching us again until he left but I couldn't call it bad management in any way as we knew what his style/tactics were when he signed up. I just didn't bloody like it...at all.

Although I am not anywhere near as certain as that in regards to what is to come under Koeman, and remain hopeful of some nice surprises along the way.

 

[hktoffee]

I don't think the point is that it's bad management...at least it shouldn't be. It was practical and got a draw in what you would say is the toughest fixture in the league, but we shouldn't forget they had the chances to bury us even though we apparently set up to be solid.

The point is, for me, that we should attempt to be more in the game against such opposition and not offer up possession so easily through such direct balls to the front. That however, is just my personal preference, and maybe we will see that kind of performance once Ronald Van Der Koeman has been here a bit longer and extricated the crap from our squad.

For me it's like when Trapattoni started with Ireland. I knew I wasn't going to like it one bit and wouldn't enjoy watching us again until he left but I couldn't call it bad management in any way as we knew what his style/tactics were when he signed up. I just didn't bloody like it...at all.

Although I am not anywhere near as certain as that in regards to what is to come under Koeman, and remain hopeful of some nice surprises along the way.

I want a draw rather than losing 3-6. Think the last manager had tried it before and did not work. What was the point of having 60%+ procession when your players just made back-pass and side-pass than back to the goalie and hoof it upfront? We ain't Baca.

 

[davek]

No parking the bus or hiding behind the couch today.

 

[MikeH72]

No parking the bus or hiding behind the couch today.

 

[Tel001]

Thing with that is that it;'s utter bollocks.

I can remember balls swung into the box when we were set up defensively and we never dealt with it: Palace, Boro, City,...all crosses that were poorly defended.

Mate you are another level of deluded . Palace? Coleman could have got closer... but it was an outstanding header that 90% of players in the prem wouldn't score... boro goal was a foul... city? Yeah it was preventable... but so is every goal ever scored... have we conceded A goal from a set play yet? I remember WBA and let's not forget Ings...

 

[Tel001]

No parking the bus or hiding behind the couch today.

Yeah let's go toe to toe and be 3-0 down at half time ... I couldnt care a less if we put 11 on the goal line if it gets us something from their place

 

[Tel001]

How refreshing to have a manager who can be arsed with set plays.

Remember seeing the extract from Leon Osman's book, and comments from Jagielka about set plays under Martinez and couldn't believe it.

Just shows, it makes a difference...

What was said ? The jags comments I mean

 

[Tel001]

Arnautovic plays for Stoke who we beat 1-0.

Lmao mate that had me in stitches ...

 

[Tel001]

I know we're not. As noted, we're conceding from balls into the box...and I think it comes about when an initial attack from the opposition breaks down and then the ball is swung back in...which underlines surely that we are not drilled as well as we're hearing right now?

He's had 10 games and turned us from an absolute shambles and nervous wreck of a defence into the leagues second meanest.... and done this while selling stones...

 

[Tel001]

True the defensive record under martinez might have been poor but its all about feelings- how did you feel watching it? Were you not entertained? Silly boring defensive football should be put to pasture. While we're at it lets bring Howard back because he created goals galore- never mind they were for the opponent.

entertained ? I loved his no pressing , jogging around , tiki taka, backwards passing football which provided me with plenty of " how the #### did we lose that" moments that left me staring at the tv screen in dis belief as the adverts came and went ... for me to suddenly come round just in time to hear bobby telling me we were phenomenal...


I don't find that entertaining...

 

[Tel001]

It's nonsense. We conceded 39 goals in his first season. The whole group lost its way. Anyway, there is a thread for that debate elsewhere.

On your substantial point: we're conceding less, of course. I'm stating it's not for the reasons being suggested today at that press conference that's all.

Why are we conceeding less? Can you please enlighten me so I can hang my head in shame please... I thought it might be because we are having training sessions to practice defending ... and the person teaching the defending was one of the best defenders of his generation... but please tell me what it is that has improved our defence .

 

[Tel001]

Bizarre how Everton fans actually watch them at all imo.

I can't watch them ... I tried it once... I think it was the year they nearly won the prem... they were playing arsenal, and I wanted them to lose obviously... think they were 3-0 up in half an hour ... made me hate them that little but more and have never even tried to watch them since

 

[Moomin]

Why are we conceeding less? Can you please enlighten me so I can hang my head in shame please... I thought it might be because we are having training sessions to practice defending ... and the person teaching the defending was one of the best defenders of his generation... but please tell me what it is that has improved our defence .

This is a thread about Koeman, not a personal one for you to attack another poster because he has a different view to you.

 

[Tel001]

Well, I tell you what mate. If he's one of the best managers he's going to have to get a shift on to prove it, because his pragmatism so far in his 17 year old managerial career hasn't brought him many successes.

And RM has?