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Ronald Koeman discussion

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I do wonder if some of the posters who are attacking Koeman now we're laughing at Klopp a year ago. Managers don't come in wave a magic wand and hey presto it's their team. Even when managers save a team from relegation the resurgence tends to be temporary,and the following season the work begins. Unless a manager is promoted from within to a fairly successful team, this is the general rule. We know of Koemans impressive work with Soton over two seasons.
Let's remember we are a team in transition, there will be ups and downs. Let's judge him in 12months not 12 weeks.
It doesn't matter how good the squad was, it was assembled and trained to a different style ,change unfortunately takes time.
 
Really handled the 5-0 drubbing with maturity. He's spot on, end of the day it's 3 points lost, no more, no less, same outcome as the 92nd minute Burnley game. 3pts lost.

I have no doubt that some of the players involved will have been dragged into his office and told to find a new club. And rightly so.
 
Nah mate just shows the difference for me in taking over a squad in dissaray compared to one that was left steady.

Mourinho struggling at United, even Conte had a bad wobble at the start of the season - Klopp last year - cups aside was pretty terrible, give Koeman 25-30 games and another transfer window then we will be able to judge it a little more clearly


Sorry, Steven.

You cannot group Koeman with Mourinho, Conte and Klopp.

He has done absolutely nowt in his managerial career to earn it.

I am judging him on what we are witnessing at Everton......and it is not very encouraging thus far.

Certainly he needs to be given more time before we reach a definitive opinion on him but I speak as I find and he is actually now taking us backwards......people need to start acknowledging this rather than harp on about Martinez leaving a squad "in disarray".

The money Koeman is being paid, I for one expected him to execute what should have been a relatively easy task of making us play better than the way we finished off last season.

Instead I see a slump which has seen us lift five points from six games.

Koeman needs to improve this team right here and right now otherwise we are soon going to be in the bottom half of the table.

He just seems blooming clueless as he stands on the touch line.

I do not expect much action at the higher end of the market in January.......probably ludicrous money spent on an average player a la Bolasie.

Sorry if I appear so negative....the total squandering of our best start in decades, culminating in a shameful 5-0 drubbing leaves me too numb to feel owt else :(
 
I think it's far too early to make that judgement, unless you think that Southampton had a substantially better squad than Everton last
season.

They played some very good football pretty consistently, despite the squad being stripped in the transfer market in the seasons leading up and during to his appointment.

He did a good job there and I don't think he's suddenly become a poor coach. Let's give him time.

Klopp didn't look too flash early on at Liverpool, did he?


I care about neither Southampton nor Klopp, Jeff.

My only concern is Everton and I am totally underwhelmed and more than a little concerned with the way we are playing right now.

And it beats me how anyone can feel any different given recent performances.
 
Indeed.

One of the charges laid against Roberto last season and which I subscribed to from Hammers at home onwards was that he was incapable of getting the best out of what the vast majority on here regarded as a very talented squad.

But now that our new manager actually has the team playing worse than it was this time last year we are being told Bobby had in fact assembled a "crap" squad so poor old Ronald cannot be held to account for the generally boring, increasingly awful and as of last Saturday totally gutless style of play we have witnessed since the referee blew the whistle to start the second half in the Spurs game on opening day.

The kindest thing I can say about the Koeman era, more than a quarter of a season in, is that if he did indeed inherit a "crap" squad then he has only succeeded in making it worse.

:(

Khal, we're higher now than we have been at pretty much any stage for the past two years...

You know I was one of RM's supporters and my argument always was that the squad needed to step up as well as the manager.

However, the simple fact remains that he got fired because he underachieved with another bottom-half finish.

Koeman, in the brief time he's been here, has so far got us into the top 7 and we have stayed there all season so far - albeit it is still very early days.

The football hasn't been great, but compared to the dross that was served up from March onwards, then barring the other night it's been much better.

The style hasn't been crap at all and it's clear what the coaches are tying to implement in terms of a pressing game.

He has made a few mistakes, but in general I'd say 7th-9th is where (on paper) this squad belongs.

I'm yet to see a team below us that frightens me, let's put it that way.

The key now is getting rid of the deadwood (of which there is far too much) and bringing in fresh faces who fit the style.

Whatever people's thoughts on the summer window, the one thing we have done is bring in players who fit the style Koeman wants to go for in terms of solidity and intensity - a mix that more often than not he had at S'ton.

Williams - no nonsense, leader at the back. Needs a ball player next to him now as him and Jags are too 'one-paced', and it looks like Jags' legs have gone.

Gueye - high-intensity, always on top of the play. Showed just how key he's been for us the other day when he was missing.

Bolasie - already formed a great partnership with Lukaku. Inconsistent and very frustrating, but I can't see how people can't realise that this is the level of winger a club that currently is aiming for top 7 has to have. When on form he's electric, and he still leads the way in terms of the entire league for chances created. He's also sixth (though technically, second behind five players on five) in terms of assists.

Stek - At the start of the season he was winning us games with some great saves. Had the game of his life vs City but three clear errors in his last two games have rightly seen his place called into question. He's not the level we need and we should have done better in the summer. Ultimately it may be a position that we have to wait on though as despite what some people think we aren't going to go and get Pickford or Heaton or anybody else who is a first-choice goalkeeper at their club's (unless they have an amazing back-up obviously) in the middle of the season.
 

I care about neither Southampton nor Klopp, Jeff.

My only concern is Everton and I am totally underwhelmed and more than a little concerned with the way we are playing right now.

And it beats me how anyone can feel any different given recent performances.

I think 1 win from six (3 defeats as well) justifies this worry Khal, I do.

But then equally so from the first 5 games it was 4 wins and 1 draw.

Bad runs do happen and it's clear now that this squad is so reliant on 'confidence'. They aren't capable of grinding out a result, and take one or two players away (namely, Gueye and Baines) and the whole thing crumbles.

But, we're two and a half months into Koeman's time here. Martinez came in and injected new life into a squad in its prime, but one that had a solid foundation in place.

It's kind of the other way round with Koeman and while that's not an excuse for the display against Chelsea or throwing away the points at Burnley, people do need to realise that he is attempting to switch to a totally different style of play, and I think he's quickly realising some (or dare I say most) of these players aren't suited to it.

11 games in to a 38 game season. 11 league games and 2 cup games into Koeman's time at Everton.

We'd all love us to be playing free-flowing football and as a manager Koeman has shown he is capable of that (S'ton played some great stuff under him at times last year), but overall it hasn't clicked yet with us.

It's now that Walsh (and Koeman) have to earn their money and like Moshiri says, they have to back them - both on and off the pitch. The same goes for the fans.

We're currently seventh, level on points with United, who spent £90mil on one player this summer. A bit of a cross-roads and we now need to see this side kick-on and get some metal.
 
I care about neither Southampton nor Klopp, Jeff.

My only concern is Everton and I am totally underwhelmed and more than a little concerned with the way we are playing right now.

And it beats me how anyone can feel any different given recent performances.
I don't care about them either. I'm just making a comparison about two similar situations and hoping that there's a similar outcome.

The last few weeks have been more than mediocre, they've been an absolute disaster after a promising start.

I'm just not giving up.
 
Sorry, Steven.

You cannot group Koeman with Mourinho, Conte and Klopp.

He has done absolutely nowt in his managerial career to earn it.

I am judging him on what we are witnessing at Everton......and it is not very encouraging thus far.

Certainly he needs to be given more time before we reach a definitive opinion on him but I speak as I find and he is actually now taking us backwards......people need to start acknowledging this rather than harp on about Martinez leaving a squad "in disarray".

The money Koeman is being paid, I for one expected him to execute what should have been a relatively easy task of making us play better than the way we finished off last season.

Instead I see a slump which has seen us lift five points from six games.

Koeman needs to improve this team right here and right now otherwise we are soon going to be in the bottom half of the table.

He just seems blooming clueless as he stands on the touch line.

I do not expect much action at the higher end of the market in January.......probably ludicrous money spent on an average player a la Bolasie.

Sorry if I appear so negative....the total squandering of our best start in decades, culminating in a shameful 5-0 drubbing leaves me too numb to feel owt else :(

Taking us forwards is the new taking us backwards lads. Kooman out
 
Sorry, Steven.

You cannot group Koeman with Mourinho, Conte and Klopp.

He has done absolutely nowt in his managerial career to earn it.

I am judging him on what we are witnessing at Everton......and it is not very encouraging thus far.

Certainly he needs to be given more time before we reach a definitive opinion on him but I speak as I find and he is actually now taking us backwards......people need to start acknowledging this rather than harp on about Martinez leaving a squad "in disarray".

The money Koeman is being paid, I for one expected him to execute what should have been a relatively easy task of making us play better than the way we finished off last season.

Instead I see a slump which has seen us lift five points from six games.

Koeman needs to improve this team right here and right now otherwise we are soon going to be in the bottom half of the table.

He just seems blooming clueless as he stands on the touch line.

I do not expect much action at the higher end of the market in January.......probably ludicrous money spent on an average player a la Bolasie.

Sorry if I appear so negative....the total squandering of our best start in decades, culminating in a shameful 5-0 drubbing leaves me too numb to feel owt else :(
Koeman like the other managers mentioned have all struggled initially with better squads than ours, that is the point. I find it risible that because of his wage you expect him to have everything sorted 12 weeks in. If it was relatively easy to have us playing better, the previous manager could have done it 2 years ago and still be at the club.
 

Thing is we still subscribed to the notion we have a good team with good players cause its what moyes left us but 3 years +Martinez have obliterated that. This is the season where Koeman finds out what is required. He can't exactly figure it out and start buying players looking at them in pre season.

It's hard to write of a season in terms of expectations especially this early and especially we are not far off the top but it's a season of learning then a summer of transition for me.
 
Sorry, Steven.

You cannot group Koeman with Mourinho, Conte and Klopp.

He has done absolutely nowt in his managerial career to earn it.

I am judging him on what we are witnessing at Everton......and it is not very encouraging thus far.

Certainly he needs to be given more time before we reach a definitive opinion on him but I speak as I find and he is actually now taking us backwards......people need to start acknowledging this rather than harp on about Martinez leaving a squad "in disarray".

The money Koeman is being paid, I for one expected him to execute what should have been a relatively easy task of making us play better than the way we finished off last season.

Instead I see a slump which has seen us lift five points from six games.

Koeman needs to improve this team right here and right now otherwise we are soon going to be in the bottom half of the table.

He just seems blooming clueless as he stands on the touch line.

I do not expect much action at the higher end of the market in January.......probably ludicrous money spent on an average player a la Bolasie.

Sorry if I appear so negative....the total squandering of our best start in decades, culminating in a shameful 5-0 drubbing leaves me too numb to feel owt else :(

Im clearly biased as ive thought he was poor since he would have relegated a super Valencia side if he hadnt been sacked.

But he just seems to act as if he is a 'hired hand' and making statements about improving the defence (then lose 5-0) and saying we were 'outclassed' (not outfought as that reflects on him) and that Lukaku wont leave till the summer (at the earliest--why even say he would/could leave??)...

The bloke has done nothing of note as a manager and acts like he is in the Conte bracket (then says laughably that hes never seen their system be so effective) when conte has changed system after a handful of games.

Wheres his passion? Where are the key tactical changes? Whats his style other than long ball?

Boring Gary Megson type dross.
 

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