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Ronald Koeman discussion

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sarath said:
Sorry for another "knee-jerk" reaction lads but I've recently started to get increasingly worried.

Supporting Everton for me was always more than just results. It was doing it with class. Even during Moyesie's days we had players like Cahill that knew what it meant to play in Blue and and we had moments that I remember fondly, like our cup run and Gosling's goal agains the RS. More importantly, for the majority of that period we would fight and not roll over.

But I feel now that since I reckon Koeman isn't that invested in us long term his only priority will be results to elevate his stature. There's no fight from any of our players and I'm sure the future signings that Koeman brings in will just be there for a paycheck.

I'd love for Koeman to really "get us" and educate the players on what it means to put on that jersey, to teach them about our history, show them the teams of the 80s and even the dogs of war.

Yes Koeman will probably turn this patch around but I'm very fearful that our identity might slowly start chipping away.

As mentioned in another thread, Martinez did understand the importance (although unfortunately didn't get the balance right as he didn't understand the importance of a defence...)

Sorry lads, rant over!
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Seems like we have a whole generation of fans who swallowed all those "dignity and class" and "The Peoples Club" soundbites, in lieu of the football club ever actually doing anything. Sod that. I want to win things.
 
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davek said:
It's not either/or. He can demand cash for the squad and keep his trap shut over what status he thinks this club has vis-a-vis others. He just chooses not to and that is a massive problem.

As said, he has a choice: stfu about how lowly we are in his obvious mental pecking order and get on with improving us, or open his massive grid again and again and be despised, and then we have disunity that no positive development can emerge from.

"Koeman is Koeman...he does what he wants". FFS. Has there ever been a more numb nuts attitude from an owner about the man they employ as manager? He sounds like that friggin beaut at Wimbledon a few years ago, Sam Hammam.
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I see the club has closed ranks becuase it,s far better to take that road then open up another can worms about a means to an end.
 
Mountfield1985 said:
Seems like we have a whole generation of fans who swallowed all those "dignity and class" and "The Peoples Club" soundbites, in lieu of the football club ever actually doing anything. Sod that. I want to win things.
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21 Years of it. An entire generation of fans took in by it all and still going sadly.
We are happy to whinge about all the things that won,t make a lick of differance except the very thing that has been right in front of our eyes for two decades.
 

davek said:
They aren't mutually exclusive.
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Of course not.

And I'm sure Koeman's aim isn't to have us playing like we are now.

Just as it wasn't RM's aim to have us playing like tosh for six months of last season.

It'll get better. If it doesn't and the results don't keep up, he'll be gone.

Baby steps. There's a huge rebuild - Martinez's squad that he built, while studded with quality, has now been proved capable of playing 1 way and 1 way only.

Is it any surprise that, bar Lukaku and arguably Barry, three of our five best/most productive players so far this season have been Williams, Gueye and Bolasie...
 
DavidBooth said:
For me, this is still a Martinez team and I have seen not one ounce of difference under Koeman's tenure.

And now he's talking us down. It's beyond belief!
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If only we had been that good at Chelsea. At least Bobby's teams stood up tall when they went to the Bridge.

And he never once talked us down.
 
DavidBooth said:
If we scrape a flukey win against Swansea - in the manner of every game we have won this season - or heaven forbid, draw or lose, Koeman is in for a firestorm.

We need a complete reverse of the Chelsea result and a thumping 5-0 win ourselves, against the team at the bottom of the (so called) Premier League form table.

For me, this is still a Martinez team and I have seen not one ounce of difference under Koeman's tenure.

And now he's talking us down. It's beyond belief!

No excuse. No lost in translation. This is not a manager being caught out, or being selectively mis-quoted. He has made it clear that Lukaku's future lies elsewhere.

Eleven mediocre, uninspiring, fortuitous games in, I am beginning to think his may too.

If our manager cannot be relied upon to big us up, what hope have we got?
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Well said ;)
 
davek said:
They aren't mutually exclusive.
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I feel like they have been for us in the PL era. The club trot out these "Peoples Club/ Class and Dignity/WE GO DA GAME" soundbites to appease the fans as we fail yet again. That message from the top filters down.

How often are we saying we want our players to be nastier? How many derbies have we bottled or moaned about being "robbed"? How have we gone 17 years without a win at Anfield, 20+ years without a win at Chelsea or Arsenal? How many players have we held onto for far longer than we should have for sentimental reasons? How many times have we been bullied in the transfer market by smaller clubs? Or rolled over to let our rivals take our best players? Not to mention the consistent and embarrassing bottle jobs at the slightest sniff of a cup win.

(I realise the above adds nothing to the Koeman debate, but I fancied a rant!)
 

davek said:
He just took his kecks down and shat all over us mate. THATS what's wrong with it.

That was Moyes-esque when he went to OT. If Moyes gets pilloried for it, so does Koeman. That's consistency.
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I really can't understand how anybody thinks Koeman is a top class manager when he went to a club like Southampton following in the footsteps of someone nobody had heard of 12 months previously! Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, and then Koeman - don't make me laugh!
 
2 days later the same tiresome posters draining this for all it's worth as it matches their agenda of bashing the manager.

Zzzzzzzzzz:zzz: bore off lads, try and get some sort of life outside of this forum.
 
blueboy1945 said:
I really can't understand how anybody thinks Koeman is a top class manager when he went to a club like Southampton following in the footsteps of someone nobody had heard of 12 months previously! Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, and then Koeman - don't make me laugh!
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Bit of news for you mate. Not one Evertonian thinks he's in that bracket now or ever was. All this does is open up yet another avenue for him to be slated.
 
Thomasc said:
2 days later the same tiresome posters draining this for all it's worth as it matches their agenda of bashing the manager.

Zzzzzzzzzz:zzz: bore off lads, try and get some sort of life outside of this forum.
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Bang on the money, they're now making things up that their fellow fans have said so they can all jump over it with their anger.
 

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