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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Cork Evertonian said:
The more i think about it the more and more i find that Koemans comments about Lukaku just does not add up.Koeman say's that Lukaku will not have fulfilled his potential if he spends his whole career at Everton.Yeah i know obviously that we are well off the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid etc.But is it not Koemans job as manager with full backing from Moshiri to bring this club back up to it's rightful place at the elite of british and european football?If Everton regain it's rightful place as a top level football club then how would Lukaku have failed to fulfill his potential by spending his whole career here?What he said is a load of bs.It actually raises a lot of questions because those comments are the words of a manager who is convinced that he was sweet talked into taking the wrong job.They are the words of a manager who has basically said that Everton are doomed to remain a second rate club.Im a big fan of Ronald Koeman in general and he has my full backing as manager but it's only right and proper that he get's called out for those comments about Lukaku.Because those are not the words of a manger who has confidence in his vision for this football club.
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go and have a look on toffeeweb where one of the commenters has gone knee deep into the background of those comments, I think you'll find that in their proper context there is not much to worry about
 
Eggsyblueskin said:
Just read the article and I have to say it's a truthful and accurate description of the situation at present. Let's not overreact every time someone suggests we're not the most successful club in the history of football because sadly, we aren't.
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That really isn't what's happening though is it?

I honestly haven't seen a single person say that Koeman's comments weren't accurate, simply that there was no need for him to make them. The comments were brought to my attention by a Palace supporting colleague who said 'You seen this from Koeman? I'd be livid if that was Pardew about Benteke'. That's someone who openly admits that Palace are a championship club punching above their weight saying that he wouldn't be happy with those comments from the team's manager, so can we all stop pretending it is just touchy Everton fans bristling because we're not seen as a big club.

The article is a joke. It's based on a ridiculous premise - that there's no middle ground between a manager saying everything's great all the time, and another one saying that players should leave. It's like saying that you can't complain that the 'medium' steak you ordered was initially served blue and then came back like a lump of coal. The 'journalist' also mentions how the comments 'probably' came about. I mean, the interview is out the public domain for him to look at, but he's just decided to write an article without actually checking the facts beforehand.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think this is a huge deal and I don't think the comments are unforgivable, but in my opinion they were unprofessional, unnecessary, and showed a lack of respect for his employers and their long suffering supporters. There's nothing wrong with fans being annoyed by that, in fact, if we ever reach a day when Everton fans aren't concerned at seeing the club talked down by our manager, we'll know that the soul of the club has finally died.
 
Cork Evertonian said:
The more i think about it the more and more i find that Koemans comments about Lukaku just does not add up.Koeman say's that Lukaku will not have fulfilled his potential if he spends his whole career at Everton.Yeah i know obviously that we are well off the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid etc.But is it not Koemans job as manager with full backing from Moshiri to bring this club back up to it's rightful place at the elite of british and european football?If Everton regain it's rightful place as a top level football club then how would Lukaku have failed to fulfill his potential by spending his whole career here?What he said is a load of bs.It actually raises a lot of questions because those comments are the words of a manager who is convinced that he was sweet talked into taking the wrong job.They are the words of a manager who has basically said that Everton are doomed to remain a second rate club.Im a big fan of Ronald Koeman in general and he has my full backing as manager but it's only right and proper that he get's called out for those comments about Lukaku because those are not the words of a manger who has confidence in his vision for this football club.
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I don't care what you say, whatever side of the fence you sit with Koeman, no Everton manager should ever be condoned for the comments he made about Lukaku last week. Not by the club and not by the fans.

I genuinely think it's a case of him not understanding us yet. His comments are most likely acceptable throughout 99% of clubs in Europe and I daresay at Southampton too who have a long history of selling their best players. He needs to understand that he can't say such things here without repercussions.

It makes no difference that what he is saying is correct. Have you ever seen the film Liar Liar?.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I don't care what you say, whatever side of the fence you sit with Koeman, no Everton manager should ever be condoned for the comments he made about Lukaku last week. Not by the club and not by the fans.

I genuinely think it's a case of him not understanding us yet. His comments are most likely acceptable throughout 99% of clubs in Europe and I daresay at Southampton too who have a long history of selling their best players. He needs to understand that he can't say such things here without repercussions.

It makes no difference that what he is saying is correct. Have you ever seen the film Liar Liar?.
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Where in that post did i condone those comments?The issue here is why did he say what he said in the first place.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
I was agreeing with you mate;)

When I said you in my post, I didn't mean YOU in person, I meant it in the third person sense, if you know what I mean.

Anyway no worries, I'm completely with you in this.
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Again i agree 100% that what was said should not have been said in the first place full stop!The question i would have for Koeman is if what he said was down to him being pig ignorant about Everton or was it the words of a manager who accepted the job under false promises and false pretenses.
 
Cork Evertonian said:
Again i agree 100% that what was said should not have been said in the first place full stop!The question i would have for Koeman is if what he said was down to him being pig ignorant about Everton or was it the words of a manager who accepted the job under false promises and false pretenses.
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As I said I think it's the former mate. I wouldn't have used the phrase pig ignorant as I think it's more of a lack of understanding, but it's the same sentiment pretty much.
 

Koeman is right to put our fan base back in its place. Some people have absolutely ridiculous expectations of us and him. We're at best the 7th best team in the league and we're performing like it, in his very first season.

It goes back to when Moyes had us finishing 5th, 6th, 7th etc. and people were bemoaning our inability to go to thw next level, despite being utterly skint every season and signing next to no players. No. It was his fault.

Now we've got a bit of money but our squad is terribly imbalanced and wafer thin. He got us up to 2nd and it seems some people expected us to stay there. I think we overachieved in those first few games. We're light years behind the top 6 when you consider squad, commercial performance and stadiums. How can we expect to do any better than we currently are?

Be realistic. We've got a billionaire owner now but so have all of the teams above us and some below us, and have done for some time. We're now starting to catch up with said top clubs but it will take a long time to be consistently up there, if it even happens at all.

BUT NO KEEP FOAMING LADS IT'S A DISGRACE
 

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