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Ronald Koeman discussion

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He thinks we deserve to be top 4 or challenging but isnt flippantly guaranteeing it to the board, like Martinez did.

Fair enough. Just seems a bit contradictory. It might be because it's late it just reads like two opposing statements. Won't guarantee champions league but thinks would should be in the top 4.
 
Fair enough. Just seems a bit contradictory. It might be because it's late it just reads like two opposing statements. Won't guarantee champions league but thinks would should be in the top 4.
As a club he thinks that where we should be, in stature terms, but wont say he's quite the man for that rebuild and push yet.
How i read it at least.
 
It was great to see baines and rhino having a laugh and joke with him at finch farm. Get that morale up lads!!
 
Fair enough. Just seems a bit contradictory. It might be because it's late it just reads like two opposing statements. Won't guarantee champions league but thinks would should be in the top 4.
Basically he's saying he can't guarantee it but top 4 is his target and one which is achievable. ;)
 
Anyone got a bad feeling about Koeman? There's something I don't trust about the guy.

I haven't got a bad feeling about him but we should be open an honest about what his ambitions are. He is coming to Everton to try and win trophies and leagues, but also to gain a bigger/better job at either Arsenal or Barcelona. He feels we give him a better chance of managing in the champions league and showcasing himself.

The one bit that stood out to me from the press conference was the bit about him not going into a season with 1 year left on his deal. He would rather walk away than do that. That basically means this is a 2 year (maximum) initial project. In 18 months time I suspect we and him will have made our mind up whether we want to continue.

While he may renew in 18 months I strongly suspect he will move on after that. He will get a free hit (ish) next season however the following season he will need to be in the top 5-6 otherwise we will probably look at other options.

What I'm saying is I suppose is there is on the one side the possibility Koeman is moved on and on the other he chooses to move on. I think think there's an awfully big middle ground where he stays. If he does well he will get a bigger job. If he fluff his lines he will probably resign in 2 years.

I'm not putting a downer on things, it's a very exciting appointment. However we need to be realistic with what we are dealing with. He is not going to lay down a long term plan for Everton, that will in part be the job of the DOF and probably the next manager. He will strive to have us in the top 6 next season and the champions league the season after.

There will be no massive long term ideas. It will be a quick process with lots of cages rattled. It's not perfect and I would prefer a manager who wants to be here for 10 years but for whatever reason thats not where we are at. We may never be there again.
 
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I haven't got a bad feeling about him but we should be open an honest about what his ambitions are. He is coming to Everton to try and win trophies and leagues, but also to gain a bigger/better job at either Arsenal or Barcelona. He feels we give him a better chance of managing in the champions league and showcasing himself.

The one bit that stood out to me from the press conference was the bit about him not going into a season with 1 year left on his deal. He would rather walk away than do that. That basically means this is a 2 year (maximum) initial project. In 18 months time I suspect we and him will have made our mind up whether we want to continue.

While he may renew in 18 months I strongly suspect he will move on after that. He will get a free hit (ish) next season however the following season he will need to be in the top 5-6 otherwise we will probably look at other options.

What I'm saying is I suppose is there is on the one side the possibility Koeman is moved on and on the other he chooses to move on. I think think there's an awfully big middle ground where he stays. If he does well he will get a bigger job. If he fluff his lines he will probably resign in 2 years.

I'm not putting a downer on things, it's a very exciting appointment. However we need to be realistic with what we are dealing with. He is not going to lay down a long term plan for Everton, that will in part be the job of the DOF and probably the next manager. He will strive to have us in the top 6 next season and the champions league the season after.

There will be no massive long term ideas. It will be a quick process with lots of cages rattled. It's not perfect and I would prefer a manager who wants to be here for 10 years but for whatever reason thats not where we are at. We may never be there again.
From what I read so far, I think he is a pragmatic person. He won't be here for long but he will get us a better position. I think if he do well and no other clubs come get him, he will stay and continue his good work till being wanted by Barca. Not perfect but practical which is what our club needs now. As long he get us on par with other title contenders, I will be happy.
 

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