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Ronald Koeman discussion

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The Esk said:
He is an Everton man, for 3 seasons at least - his interests are perfectly aligned with ours.
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I know your a big fan of Koemans do you think our current style of hoofball is temporary until he gets the players he wants or is this him as the football we are playing currently is awful. I appreciate its early days & he needs time but it has surprised me.
 
JLW said:
Agree. But don't ye think he is taken a very long time to impose his style of play (whatever that is) you can see already with say City what Pep is trying to do, high line, high tempo football, although no executing it to perfection just yet but at least you can see what he trying to do.

I'm struggling to see what Koemans is? (don't give me he needs new players situation) I 100% agree he does yes, but what is our style of football? I hope its not what we seen yesterday..
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Nail on head.
Sending us out to play sunday league football is concerning.
Sure, give him more time, but we'd like to at least see his vision.
I like what he is doing with us off the ball. But on it? It's a car crash.
 
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mkrudden said:
Schneiderlin just makes sense doesn't it. Was he even in their squad yday?
I fear though Orls that we need a playmaker in there (in place of Barry probably, although I love the geriatric heart-throb) just to play a few passes and knit us together.

Jose summed it up yday, "Everton don't play beautiful football anymore, they play direct".

If direct football was leading to points, fair enough. Unfortunately, it's bringing us eff all.
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The silly thing about Jose's comment though was that they played roughly the same proportion of long passes that we did. It's what most sides (other than Arsenal probably) revert too when they are out of form as it puts more emphasis on the fight of a team rather than their technical qualities (which usually suffer in periods of poor form).

Let's also not forget that the move leading up to the Mirallas effort that De Gea saved was really quite intricate, which suggests the quality is still there. What should never have happened was, when we were in good form, we disrupted the team for the midweek game vs Norwich and have looked uneasy since. We are also not in a position as a squad, even in the good times, to carry a player as godawful as Snivelley. His win percentage at Everton must be less than 30% I would think in terms of games he has been involved in
 
It almost feels like the manager is on a game to game basis with the fans at the moment that coupled with the fact we have massive games in front of us means in the next 4 weeks means the fuse is super short.

It,s going to blow big time before the New Year arrives so the club better announce some massive transfer deals are as good as done in the next few weeks.
 
mkrudden said:
Jose summed it up yday, "Everton don't play beautiful football anymore, they play direct".
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Firstly, Jose is only moaning because it cost them two points, he doesn't care about whether our football is beautiful - his own brand is so far from it itself.

Secondly, I can only assume he's making the comparison to the Martinez years (certainly not the Moyes years), in which case if that is "beautiful" then sign me up for some more ugly.
 
orly said:
The silly thing about Jose's comment though was that they played roughly the same proportion of long passes that we did. It's what most sides (other than Arsenal probably) revert too when they are out of form as it puts more emphasis on the fight of a team rather than their technical qualities (which usually suffer in periods of poor form).

Let's also not forget that the move leading up to the Mirallas effort that De Gea saved was really quite intricate, which suggests the quality is still there. What should never have happened was, when we were in good form, we disrupted the team for the midweek game vs Norwich and have looked uneasy since. We are also not in a position as a squad, even in the good times, to carry a player as godawful as Snivelley. His win percentage at Everton must be less than 30% I would think in terms of games he has been involved in
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Definitely. It's still there.
So either the players are lacking confidence which is why we don't see that intricacy often or our dutch kingpin is sending them out to hit the ball long.
Either way, let's give him some time.
Cleverley was utterly horrid yesterday wasn't it. Christ, that bit of 'play' before Herrera hit the post... amateur stuff.
Funes Mori as well. Good god. Jags needed dropping, definitely but FM is a car crash waiting to happen.
 

bring the ghost on said:
Firstly, Jose is only moaning because it cost them two points, he doesn't care about whether our football is beautiful - his own brand is so far from it itself.

Secondly, I can only assume he's making the comparison to the Martinez years (certainly not the Moyes years), in which case if that is "beautiful" then sign me up for some more ugly.
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He was answering a question about why he brought on Fellaini. He wasn't complaining about our style at all.

Ugly is yielding us naff all by the way, so unsure why you'd sign up willingly.

Let's see if he can find a balance of good football and wins. It is what he's paid for after all.
 
D410 said:
It almost feels like the manager is on a game to game basis with the fans at the moment that coupled with the fact we have massive games in front of us means in the next 4 weeks means the fuse is super short.

It,s going to blow big time before the New Year arrives so the club better announce some massive transfer deals are as good as done in the next few weeks.
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Rather dramatic as usual! Nothings going to happen and well you know it lol

Evertonian's are too apathetic and we endured 16 years of Bill / Elstone and cronies without anybody batting an eyelid.

We have a new manager in who hasn't even been here half a season yet. It's time for the bed wetters to take a step back and stop behaving like Newcastle fans for a while. Before we start a pathetic managerial merry go round due to some fans thinking they are entitled to stuff.
 
mkrudden said:
Definitely. It's still there.
So either the players are lacking confidence which is why we don't see that intricacy often or our dutch kingpin is sending them out to hit the ball long.
Either way, let's give him some time.
Cleverley was utterly horrid yesterday wasn't it. Christ, that bit of 'play' before Herrera hit the post... amateur stuff.
Funes Mori as well. Good god. Jags needed dropping, definitely but FM is a car crash waiting to happen.
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It's Jags or FM till January or even till the end of season. Got no choice in particular Jags was horrendous lately.
 
orly said:
The silly thing about Jose's comment though was that they played roughly the same proportion of long passes that we did. It's what most sides (other than Arsenal probably) revert too when they are out of form as it puts more emphasis on the fight of a team rather than their technical qualities (which usually suffer in periods of poor form).

Let's also not forget that the move leading up to the Mirallas effort that De Gea saved was really quite intricate, which suggests the quality is still there. What should never have happened was, when we were in good form, we disrupted the team for the midweek game vs Norwich and have looked uneasy since. We are also not in a position as a squad, even in the good times, to carry a player as godawful as Snivelley. His win percentage at Everton must be less than 30% I would think in terms of games he has been involved in
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UTD were not shy of pumping a few long ones yesterday, the difference was they had someone upfront who can make it stick (Ibra) then bring the midfielders into play, then they could play there football around our box.

Cleverly PFFFFFFFFT I don't care how much experience Koeman has and how he trains with them on a daily basis, I can categorically say Tom Davies IS a FAR FAR better footballer than cleverly. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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