Ronald Koeman discussion

[Lanolin]

I thought the line up was the right one but the players attitude and execution wasn't correct so in that respect the blame lies with Koeman for that (not that it's a problem solely down to him as we know but he is in the hook for fixing it). Disappointingly Gueye Davies and Barkley have come off second best to Can Lucas and Wijnaldum. We've either seriously overrated these players or they've just completely choked.

You might have overrated them, but I think most people would acknowledge that the 3 in our midfield are not vastly superior to the 3 in their midfield. They are above us in the league after all, and we're talking about Brazilian, German and Dutch internationals not 3 fat lads plucked from the crowd.

Allied to the fact that our midfield had a very dodgy backline to protect, and a young lad who unfortunately looked hopelessly out of his depth taking up one of the attacking positions and limiting their outlets, and the fact we were away from home, it isn't that surprising that they came off second best.

Putting everything down to a choke is getting pretty ridiculous now, and doesn't help us to address the main issue - we lack the squad depth and quality to compete with those above us in the league. Rectify that and I reckon we'll see this mentality issue magically disappear, just like it has with every other side that got better players.

 

[Death]

And its no coincidence the 2013 v United they were managed by the man that managed us the ten years previous.

 

[Saint Domingo]

And so the Witch Hunt begins. They don't like us making waves do they?

Ronald Koeman criticised for post-Merseyside derby Liverpool rant and for claiming football is 'a man's game'
Koeman's post-match interview led to a claim that football is 'a man's game' as he criticised the behaviour of Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp

Ronald Koeman landed himself in the centre of a sexism storm after claiming football is “a man’s game” in a post-match rant against Liverpool following Everton’s 3-1 Merseyside defeat.

The Everton manager, who has also been involved in a back-and-forth row with Republic of Ireland manager Martin O’Neill this week, was evidently angry with how Sadio Mane’s injury was treated, along with the behaviour of the Liverpool manager, Jurgen Klopp.

Koeman was also on the defensive after a nasty tackle from Everton midfielder Ross Barkley saw the England international booked for planting his boot studs-first on Dejan Lovren’s ankle, a challenge that infuriated Klopp and the rest of his backroom staff

"It's part of football,” Koeman said of the challenge from Barkley. “I saw also some tackles from Lucas and that's all about football, but we don't make a show like the bench of Liverpool about faults, what happened on the pitch. We're different, we're more into the game and not about what happened with referees, linesmen and tackles. It's football, it was a hard but fair game and that's football.

"I don't like coaches from the bench the whole time shouting to referees, to linesmen and to make a big show about tackles... because it was one tackle and they were crazy, and even [when] they did not need a physio on the pitch. It's not what I like, it's a man’s sport and your behaviour has to be like that.”

Koeman’s claim immediately raised eyebrows, given the rise of women’s football across the globe, and a number of social media users criticised the Dutchman for his comments as well as his admission that he was “proud” of the performance despite the 3-1 defeat.

It comes after a difficult week for Koeman, having seen Everton defender Seamus Coleman ruled out for at least six months after breaking his leg while on international duty, as well as engaging in the public spat with his Irish manager, Martin O’Neill.

O’Neill was critical of Koeman’s use of midfielder James McCarthy at the start of the season following the 2016 European Championship. It triggered a response from Koeman on Twitter, in which he denied O’Neill’s accusation of mis-treatment and mocked the use of the term “master tactician” that O’’Neill used this week.

“James McCarthy began his pre-season three and a half weeks after Ireland were knocked out of the Euros. From the master tactician,” Koeman wrote.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...iew-mans-game-rant-jurgen-klopp-a7661906.html

Least it's a bit of fighting talk from the Everton manager. Shame he then blotted the book by saying he was proud of the performance.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Couple of things from the weekend now the dust has settled a bit.

Koeman was, to a large degree, restricted in his selection by injuries. I wanted him to start with a back 3 which he did. I also wanted him to prioritise young legs over experience, and he did this too. I wanted him to learn something from the Spurs game and the team selection showed to me that he has done. So I haven't got too many arguments with the manager on that score.

There were a couple of starters that did surprise me. Pennington is not long back from a long term injury, has not played any senior football this season, and, to the best of my knowledge, has never played in a back 3. I personally would have gone with Holgate in the back 3 and possibly Kenny at RWB. Still a risk as you're swapping one inexperienced defender for another one, but I just felt that Holgate looks comfortable in a back 3 and should have started there. I also would have started with Kev over DCL. Kev is one of the few Everton players who always seems up for the derby and, having not started him, I also thought he should have brought him on a lot earlier than he did.

Overall, not the performance we wanted by any means and none of our key players turned up. But I thought it was an improvement on the Spurs game and a massive improvement on the corresponding fixture last season.

The other Koeman talking point was his post match comments defending the team performance. Given that he has criticised the team frequently following much better performances, I can only think that he didn't want to go over the top on what was essentially a very young and inexperienced team. I can't really fault him for this if I'm honest.

 

[kithnou]

 

[royalblue66]

Wish our coaching staff were more active on the bench.

 

[Deulofeumygod]

The man's game comment upsets me.

The press conference just now shows what a great manager we have. Clearly cares and sticks up for club and the players and takes no crap.

 

[maccavennie]

Morgan and Lennon out of the game for definite then the stream froze and not sure what he said after that.

But OK that's the Internet.

 

[kithnou]

Morgan and Lennon out of the game for definite then the stream froze and not sure what he said after that.

But OK that's the Internet.

Morgan should be back for Leicester.

 

[joseph]

Someone needs to teach him how to pronounce "individually." Otherwise, I can see where he is coming from. Taking no crap from that one reporter, regarding "other managers."
Smash United tomorrow and show us that you really are the "master tactician" Mr Koemanlol
Thanks in advance.

 

[granter79]

Couple of things from the weekend now the dust has settled a bit.

Koeman was, to a large degree, restricted in his selection by injuries. I wanted him to start with a back 3 which he did. I also wanted him to prioritise young legs over experience, and he did this too. I wanted him to learn something from the Spurs game and the team selection showed to me that he has done. So I haven't got too many arguments with the manager on that score.

There were a couple of starters that did surprise me. Pennington is not long back from a long term injury, has not played any senior football this season, and, to the best of my knowledge, has never played in a back 3. I personally would have gone with Holgate in the back 3 and possibly Kenny at RWB. Still a risk as you're swapping one inexperienced defender for another one, but I just felt that Holgate looks comfortable in a back 3 and should have started there. I also would have started with Kev over DCL. Kev is one of the few Everton players who always seems up for the derby and, having not started him, I also thought he should have brought him on a lot earlier than he did.

Overall, not the performance we wanted by any means and none of our key players turned up. But I thought it was an improvement on the Spurs game and a massive improvement on the corresponding fixture last season.

The other Koeman talking point was his post match comments defending the team performance. Given that he has criticised the team frequently following much better performances, I can only think that he didn't want to go over the top on what was essentially a very young and inexperienced team. I can't really fault him for this if I'm honest.

Fully agree. Only other issue I had with Saturday was Roms lack of fight. He didn't fancy a battle with Lovern and it showed.

 

[streeky]

i suppose there's a chance luke shaw won't be playing tomorrow. (sorry it's off thread but we still have the liverpool match threead up).

 

[Chunky Frankfurter]

Mourinho very lucky boy that Zlatan is back. Man United is so poor. I see Mourinho has a poorer record when compared to Moyes at the same time in their career with Man U, and this is with an elite goalscorer and the most expensive player in history. Also with great attacking players like Mata, Mkhitaryan, Martial and even Rashford.

Mourinho has become so, so poor. Compare his incredible Chelsea team of 04-05, to his teams of the last near decade, incredible change. He's just a fancy Tony Pulis these days.

 

[BlueToff]

Least it's a bit of fighting talk from the Everton manager. Shame he then blotted the book by saying he was proud of the performance.

Right, while I was in no way drastically impressed by Saturday's display, let's look at the facts.

We had as many attempts as Liverpool did.

We had more on target I believe.

Now, stats mean little if you don't put those chances away.

We didn't. They did.

They didn't hammer us. But at the same time we didn't play our own game - or as soon as we started getting a foothold, the defence and goalkeeper made the mistakes that led to their third, which killed the game.

Not a good display, but at the same time we actually did have the chances to get something without playing well.

I doubt Koeman was thrilled, but he's smarter than to throw a load of youngsters under the bus.

The game came down to Liverpool finding an area of weakness and exploiting it, and the team (and manager) on the whole not doing enough to prevent that from happening.

 

[CrustySack]

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Jeez, looks like Rooney and Ronaldo love child.