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Ronald Koeman

Ronald Koeman...good choice for us?

  • yes, he'll get us top 6 and stability

  • no, it's uninspiring even if top 6 is back on

  • josé on toast


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This poll neatly demonstrates the difference between the ambitions of Everton fans and those of small yoyo-clubs like Southampton:

60% of us aren't that impressed by a possible Koeman appointment whereas 100% of them would probably rate him their greatest ever manager.


Nail on head, Doc.

And if there was a vacancy on the Solent, the press would not even be speculating about the incumbent of the Everton hot seat taking a step down to manage Saints ;)

Sorry, Saints fans.....:(

Them's the facts of the matter so quit yer bitchin'

You're on a hiding to nowt.
 
All Everton fans need to get a reality check here. Over the past three years under Martinez you've been on the slide. You've probably got rid of him just in time before you became the next Aston Villa or Newcastle. I say "probably" because depending upon what happens this summer with players leaving you could easily be facing a relegation fight next season. The reality is that you've got a massive rebuilding job to do. Koeman is on the brink of getting Southampton a top 4 finish. That will depend upon what happens this summer with players leaving although on a daily basis now players are extending their contracts. No disrespect but why on earth would Koeman leave Southampton now to go to Everton when 12 months from now he will either get the Arsenal or Barcelona job? He won't.

Fed up of Southampton fans now. Do Spurs fans think they're a 'bigger' and 'more attractive' club than Man United cause they've finished above them for two seasons? No, they don't cause they're sensible and actually understand the logistics of football. And they're also too busy enjoy their own clubs success to be bothered about anyone else.

I know every football fan defends their club but this is getting ridiculous now. You've actually joined an Everton forum to explain why Koeman wouldn't leave Southampton for Everton. And also gone to the effort of joining another team's forum to try and explain why you're the bigger club - I think that says it all.

If Koeman stays at Southampton - good luck to you both. Got no issues at all with Southampton, but please don't come on here and act like you're bigger than us. Just look at the major trophies column and you'll find everything you need to know there.

That's it from me. Rant over.
 
All Everton fans need to get a reality check here. Over the past three years under Martinez you've been on the slide. You've probably got rid of him just in time before you became the next Aston Villa or Newcastle. I say "probably" because depending upon what happens this summer with players leaving you could easily be facing a relegation fight next season. The reality is that you've got a massive rebuilding job to do. Koeman is on the brink of getting Southampton a top 4 finish. That will depend upon what happens this summer with players leaving although on a daily basis now players are extending their contracts. No disrespect but why on earth would Koeman leave Southampton now to go to Everton when 12 months from now he will either get the Arsenal or Barcelona job? He won't.

Hi friend,

Just a bit of reality check for you. You're Southampton we are Everton, thats should answer all your questions for you.
 

Well they will get into the Europa league again this season and Koeman who done ok last few years, Southampton are a bit of a force since their dark days in the championship and league one, but a top six or seven team now and with consistentancy next season they could do a Leicester too! Don't think he will leave for us somehow, but would take him!
 

I must announce my arrival here by confessing that for the past two seasons I have been willing Everton out of the top flight. Not for any Everton-related reasons but more to prove myself correct over my judgement of Martinez, which was that he just wasn't very good despite what the media tell everybody, who decided to gush over his 'great escape' every year at Wigan without ever acknowledging that he had got them into that situation in the first place whilst his predecessor in Steve Bruce had just achieved their second highest Premier League finish before Martinez took over, if i remember rightly.

Besides this, Everton never really entered my thoughts much until the last 24 hours, what with also being the supporter of a mid-table Premier League club I only tend to really look up the table to see where we could be, rather than what is going on underneath us. I often thought of Everton as being the more cultured, civilised sibling of Liverpool, but a lot of what I have read on here and on twitter suggests that delusion must be on the Merseyside curriculum. Being a child of the Premier League era, my interest in club history is limited, I tend to watch what is in front of me, but I have heard a lot mentioned about your glorious history in the last 24 hours (i'll google it later). Which got me thinking, there was some club that came down to us at the end of last season and chanted from start to finish about how much more they had won than us which really put a dampener on our 6-1 victory as it obviously sunk in how we just weren't worthy of our visitors' company... I wonder what ever happened to them?

Now this is football, whilst most of our fans and many in the media are asking the question of 'why?' (albeit it's more of a 'WHYYYY!?!?!?!?') with regards to whether our Ron would opt for Goodison, it really wouldn't surprise me that much, but I have to think if I were him then I would think what is the point? Having secured a couple of more than respectable finishes with a side that has its best players sold every season, he's shown himself to be very adept and very versatile, often switching formations and styles and 9 times out of 10 getting it spot on. Whilst I don't think the big boys abroad would come calling as of yet, I think some of the ones here would take a keen interest, and if I were him that's where I would head whilst my stock was high. Stepping sideways (or backwards really, looking at the table), would be make or break for his future options, if he fails at Everton then he would sacrifice his crack at a big job, i think it'd be a very dangerous move for his career. Added to that, i'm not convinced "Ronald Koeman is coming" would be words strong enough to convince the likes of Romelu Lukaku or John Stones (who's horrendously overhyped, by the way) to forego a chance at Champions League football elsewhere. Whilst a great manager he is, a miracle worked he ain't, players would be sacrificing more than just a solitary season if they were willing to wait and see if Everton could offer them CL football. Which would essentially leave him in a similar position to when he joined us - rebuilding from scratch - that's not really progression is it. Plus he's passed up equally illustrious roles this season at the likes of Swansea and Sunderland, and now Watford are on the look out for a new boss I really think he'd be too spoilt for choice of lower-half Premier League clubs that it'd just be easiest for him to stick with little ol' Southampton. But, then again, he wouldn't be able to say "yeah but look how much we won last century!" when questioned why his team is sat in 12th, so it must be a tough one.

Anyway, hopefully he stays with us, but as I said, nothing would surprise me in this league anymore, sometimes manager's can have their heads turned when we least expect it (£££££). Does Pep know you're looking for a manager? Surely the ink hasn't quite dried on his Man City contract yet, i'm sure he'd jump at the chance of managing one of England's super-clubs...

Thanks for the post mate. There's clearly a fair bit of anger in their which while understandable does weaken your argument which is fairly sensible.

The fact that you know little about football (and need to go and google it) is plain ignorance. Just because you are ignorant though doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Southampton and Everton historically are not comparable at clubs in terms of size. You might not like that or even know that but it doesn't mean it isn't the case.

However where I agree with you is that history doesn't automatically mean it's a sensible move for Koeman. Currently you are 7th while we are 12th. He would be leaving to go to a side below them in the league. He's onto a good thing at Southampton, excellent youth academy, decent facilities (not as good as Finch Farm but still strong) and a very stable set up. He has good players and is well respected by the fans. It seems like a no brainer, why would he want to move?

I think that is the crux of the question. While I would like to say the history of the club would sway him I doubt very much this is more than just an incidental factor. If managers decided clubs on what they had won in the past as a central factor then it is very unlikely a club like Southampton could have attracted Koeman. There is obviously a lot more to it.

Whether you like it or not Koeman is very keen on the Everton job so you do have to ask why? For an Everton fan it makes me optimistic that we can interest a manager from a club like Southampton. It means what we are offering, in terms of a vision, both in terms of transfers and how we want the club to move forward over the next few years. Common is obviously willing to take a big risk to come here.

We may not elect to go for Koeman. I hope we don't as I still think we can do better. However do be aware that if we want Koeman and Koeman can convince us he wants to come to Everton he will come. It is a bit harsh but Koeman was always going to move onto a bigger club. There is no serious way you can say Everton are not bigger than Southampton so there's no point
being angry. Even within the PL years, you've probably finished above 3 times in a generation. Within the last few years you were nearly bust in division 3. Our squad is no weaker than yours. The nucleus of it is largely unchanged from the squad that regularly finished in the top 6 and 2 years ago got 72 points (enough to finish probably second this year).

I am being very generous to you to say our squads are on a
similar level our squad is potentially much better. Whether that is under Koeman or not we don't know. I hope not, but maybe we will have to settle for him.
 

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