Ross Barkley

[davidloach]

He did the same in the friendly before the WC. Ross was clearly the best player on the pitch and he came out and said he lost the ball too much, and that he could name 5 or 6 players that had played better than him. He doesn't seem to understand that the game is more than about not getting beat. You need players that will take risks to try and get goals. He is just a very average manager for very average players. Ross is wasted on him.
I do wish the lad would get stuck in a bit more though, he seems to have lost the ability to win the ball. Might be confidence thing with the injuries.

Exactly. It was the same thing with Moyes. Ross would make one mistake and then wouldn't see any game time for months. Reminds me of Warnock's comments about how Ross can't handle responsibility or something along those lines. At least Roberto trusts him.

 

[Ashtonian]

So you need 6-7 years to judge a player?

It's a case of The Emperors new clothes with Ross. People see what they want to see. He's been overhyped and needs to work hard to justify his place in the Everton team, never mind England.

To get his best yes you do.

Zidane at 20 was not world class. Neither was Ronaldo away from being a show boat winger. You could list many names here.

Only the likes of Rooney and messi have looked impressive at that young age.

Point is for a career that spans at least 15-18 top flight years, for someone to play to their potential they need to learn their trade. There is so much for Ross to learn in his position that a couple of years in the reserves and a push into the first team cannot teach him. He needs to know where to move, where to pass, where to tackle, where to cover ground etc Only time will teach him that and by 24 he could be ghosting round the middle of the park and have the passing range slippy G dreams about. Or he could be a Milner type player who didnt develop into an exciting player but is solid enough. Only time will tell.

 

[sageyefc]

So you need 6-7 years to judge a player?

It's a case of The Emperors new clothes with Ross. People see what they want to see. He's been overhyped and needs to work hard to justify his place in the Everton team, never mind England.

Yeah but at the same time you cant expect him to be the finished product already, or have the consistency, it took the likes of messi and ronaldo a few years to get to a certain level. People have unrealistic views on how fast a player should be judged

 

[Fudgey]

Samuel Eto'o bigged him up, and based on the players he's played with and against, is a good enough reason for me to be excited about him.

 

[marty mcfly]

Barkley is massively over rated and falls over himself or the ball way too much. He hasn't deserved an England call up yet.

He's not massively over-rated. He's just inconsistent.

If you look at his highlight video from just last season it's better than some top top player's whole careers.

Although I've no idea why he keeps falling over himself. It seems to be getting much worse the more he's hyped and not performing. I personally think he needs a run of games away from the microscope in his favorite position without everything being over-analysised by both his coaches and the media.

Btw - Sterling who I rate hasn't been playing well recently either and it was his mistake that caused the goal but Roy's treatment of them definitely doesn't seem consistent.

 

[marty mcfly]

Yeah but at the same time you cant expect him to be the finished product already, or have the consistency, it took the likes of messi and ronaldo a few years to get to a certain level. People have unrealistic views on how fast a player should be judged

It didn't take Messi any time at all. He dominated a really good Juve team on his debut. His turn of pace acceleration was just unreal then.

I still think Maradona was the best ever in complete terms but a 17 year old Messi dribling was for pure excitement the best.

You should check out the YouTube video of that game. It's easy to forget what Messi was actually like then.

 

[toffee matt]

It's not hodgson's fault Barkley has a habit of giving the ball away in stupid positions

If osman did that we'd all rightly be fuming

 

[Groucho]

It's not hodgson's fault Barkley has a habit of giving the ball away in stupid positions

If osman did that we'd all rightly be fuming

So you need 6-7 years to judge a player?

It's a case of The Emperors new clothes with Ross. People see what they want to see. He's been overhyped and needs to work hard to justify his place in the Everton team, never mind England.

I think the true picture is somewhere in between.

I am of the opinion that he's very good, he will be excellent, and certainly deserves a starting place in the Everton side.

 

[marty mcfly]

Might be a bit of reverse pscycholgy. He is only to aware of the hype around Ross and maybe doing his bit to keep it in check. If roles were reversed with say Wilshere, we would be saying hes an overated knob and whats all the fuss about.

And you would be wrong then too. Wilshere is a quality player who just needs to stay fit.

Along with Fabregas he matched the greatest midfield of all time. You can't do that if you are all hype. He's still a knob though

 

[duncs pigeon]

And you would be wrong then too. Wilshere is a quality player who just needs to stay fit.

Along with Fabregas he matched the greatest midfield of all time. You can't do that if you are all hype. He's still a knob though

But how many people on here have, in the past, slated Wilshere and he onl plays for England cos he plays for a London club? Wilshere is a good player imo,as is Barkley, and deserves his place in the team. Barkleys time will come, but we sometimes need to take our tinted glasses off. Agreed though, he is a knob ha

 

[caught]

Barkley has wonderful natural gifts very few other players possess, namely the pace, strength, and movement he displays with the ball at his feet. There are only a handful of players across Europe capable at carrying the ball over distance like he can.

That's a talent that should be celebrated, but it doesn't mask his limitations: some rudimentary aspects of his game haven't been developed yet, including his positional sense and decision making. There's also more difficult skills that need to be improved if he's going to be the player we hope, such as the quality of his final ball.

That's where he's at right now: a 20 year-old with extremely rare talents, but one who's football education is far from over - especially considering a few injuries that have hampered his development. If he stays clear of serious injury and has two full seasons of regular starts we will hopefully see an outstanding all-round footballer, which is why any move to City/Chelsea in the short term would be a big mistake. He's at the ideal club to fulfil his potential.

 

[Eggs]

Exactly. It was the same thing with Moyes. Ross would make one mistake and then wouldn't see any game time for months. Reminds me of Warnock's comments about how Ross can't handle responsibility or something along those lines. At least Roberto trusts him.

...to be fair to Warnock he said Moyes advised him that Barkley could not handle defensive responsibility.

 

[ianefc]

Moyes also was a good judge of a player, he didn't fancy him as much as he did Rooney and Janazai

 

[banno]

Moyes also was a good judge of a player, he didn't fancy him as much as he did Rooney and Janazai

Both players he inherited. He did not play Rooney as much as he should have. Even played him out wide at times and mostly as a sub.

 

[Walken]

...to be fair to Warnock he said Moyes advised him that Barkley could not handle defensive responsibility.

just a shocking indictment of moyes youth policy if true