Ross Barkley

[Moomin]

Roy is not a bad manager in the same way Steve McClaren is not a bad manager. They're not great, they're not good, but at least they're not bad. Quarter final in a European championship, great effort, good team spirit, well done lads we did our part.

Last summer he completely mismanaged Ross. He played down all the hype, slated him for trying to play progressive, attacking football and gave him about 45 minutes playing time. He has continued to do the same thing this season and will likely do the same thing next season. While players such as Henderson are given guaranteed starts for not being bad players (just like Hodgeson), Ross is overlooked because Roy is treating him like he's 16. He isn't, he's 21 and he needs starts. He needs games. It's a little bit like coming out of university and finding a job listing that states "entry level, 2 years experience required". How on Earth is Ross expected to grow and learn to play with his international teammates if he isn't playing with his bloody international teammates?!

At what point does Ross get to start under Hodgson? When he becomes 22? 23? 24 and 100 days? It's this "can't have kids trying new things" mentality that drives me up the effing wall and is why England are absolutely mediocre on the international stage.

We are mediocre because we are over rated. We are jarg.

Technically we are poor as a nation. Ross is gifted but struggles, he seems to think too much in my view. People call him thick but Gazza was thick and his football brain was spot on.

Next season he needs to step up.

As for Hodgson, he is a nice safe guy in the eyes of the FA.

 

[MACCA75]

Roy is not a bad manager in the same way Steve McClaren is not a bad manager. They're not great, they're not good, but at least they're not bad. Quarter final in a European championship, great effort, good team spirit, well done lads we did our part.

Last summer he completely mismanaged Ross. He played down all the hype, slated him for trying to play progressive, attacking football and gave him about 45 minutes playing time. He has continued to do the same thing this season and will likely do the same thing next season. While players such as Henderson are given guaranteed starts for not being bad players (just like Hodgeson is not a bad manager), Ross is overlooked because Roy is treating him like he's 16. He isn't, he's 21 and he needs starts. He needs games. It's a little bit like coming out of university and finding a job listing that states "entry level, 2 years experience required". How on Earth is Ross expected to grow and learn to play with his international teammates if he isn't bloody playing with his international teammates?!

At what point does Ross get to start under Hodgson? When he turns 22? 23? 24 and 100 days? It's this "can't have kids trying new things" mentality that drives me up the effing wall and is why England are absolutely mediocre on the international stage.

What an absolute load of nonsense. The reason Ross doesn't start for England is because he's done absolutely nothing to warrant it. Henderson was in a completely different class to Ross performance wise this year, and Barkley is fortunate to even be in the squad.

That's the reality without the blue tinted glasses on.

 

[kithnou]

What an absolute load of nonsense. The reason Ross doesn't start for England is because he's done absolutely nothing to warrant it. Henderson was in a completely different class to Ross performance wise this year, and Barkley is fortunate to even be in the squad.

That's the reality without the blue tinted glasses on.

Unfortunately you will find most football fans in club forums suffer from the familiar condition called "biased delusion" when evaluating their team's players...

 

[Jxg]

We are mediocre because we are over rated. We are jarg.

Technically we are poor as a nation. Ross is gifted but struggles, he seems to think too much in my view. People call him thick but Gazza was thick and his football brain was spot on.

Next season he needs to step up.

As for Hodgson, he is a nice safe guy in the eyes of the FA.

Spain are 10th. Are they jarg? Are they overrated? No.

England aren't bad either. We have talented players but we (Hodgson) insist on sticking to this negative, backwards mentality and starting players like Cole ahead of Baines, Henderson ahead of Barkley, Welbeck ahead of Kane, Milner ahead of Walcott, Jones ahead of Clyne...

Ross does struggle. Ross will continue to struggle until he is assured that he will be given a fair chance in the England team. He is brought on with 10 minutes to go and expected to change the game. Aside from the fact that he isn't an impact sub, he'll go on and do some brilliant things. He brought England to their closest chance of scoring in the entire game against Ireland, yet because he messed up once Hodgson felt compelled to focus on that. What else does he expect? Does he honestly want Ross to go on with minutes left and score a brace single-handedly without misplaying a pass, or losing possession once? He's the one expecting too much of Ross, not the fans.

The only reason Hodgson is still England manager is because there is nobody else to replace him.

 

[Jxg]

What an absolute load of nonsense. The reason Ross doesn't start for England is because he's done absolutely nothing to warrant it. Henderson was in a completely different class to Ross performance wise this year, and Barkley is fortunate to even be in the squad.

That's the reality without the blue tinted glasses on.

I'm not blue-tinted in any respect when it comes to the England team. I want England to win, pure and simple. I firmly believe they aren't going to do that by continuing this way. They haven't won jack in 50 years and sticking to this plan, things don't look like they're about to change any time soon. I don't think Jags should be playing for England. Guess I'm still wearing those glasses. Hell, I even think Baines needs to be phased out.

England needs to have a core of young players starting each and every game so they can become a team over time, instead of a group of individuals. We aren't winning Euro 2016. Will we win the 2018 World Cup? Nope. Euro 2020 would be realistic. So, why are we playing players now who will have retired by then? Why are we starting players who won't be playing for England in 2020? What's the point? All it's doing is holding back the progress of players like Barkley.

The reason Ross doesn't start for England is because he isn't a Hodgson player, pure and simple. Just as the reason Neville kept starting for us, when he was clearly past it, was because he was a Moyes player. Henderson is a Hodgson-type player and that is why he starts every game. He has not been spectacular in the slightest at any point in his career and you can wash your mouth out for implying so.

 

[Saint Domingo]

What an absolute load of nonsense. The reason Ross doesn't start for England is because he's done absolutely nothing to warrant it. Henderson was in a completely different class to Ross performance wise this year, and Barkley is fortunate to even be in the squad.

That's the reality without the blue tinted glasses on.

Difference is Henderson can play as well as he likes for as long as he likes, even at his very very best he's not good enough for international football in the same way Lallana isn't, the same way Jenas, Milner, Parker, Barry and the like weren't. What is the pint of playing them just because they're in a bit of good form? Players like Wilshere and Barkley are frustrating as they can be so wasteful, but IF they hit their top form they are two of the only player sin the squad who can potentially be good enough to compete with the best. Why berate them though, keep them out the team, or play them from the bench? You may as well let Barkley turn out a few 4/10s knowing that he could give you a 9/10 rather than Henderson who will just always give you a 6/10 which isn't good enough. Hodgson is just guaranteeing failure by building his midfield around proven mediocre players. If this was 2010 Hodgson would have been slapping down Ozil, Muller and Khedira in order to keep playing Torsten Frings. Absolute dinosaur.

 

[mrb85]

I'm not blue-tinted in any respect when it comes to the England team. I want England to win, pure and simple. I firmly believe they aren't going to do that by continuing this way. They haven't won jack in 50 years and sticking to this plan, things don't look like they're about to change any time soon. I don't think Jags should be playing for England. Guess I'm still wearing those glasses. Hell, I even think Baines needs to be phased out.

You been reading Neil Ashton in the Mail? He came out in the Saturday edition with the very strange comment that Baines was being phased out of the international side. Where on earth did that come from?

 

[Brownie]

 

[Brownie]

 

[Goat]

Too big Browns, sadly.

 

[Moomin]

Spain are 10th. Are they jarg? Are they overrated? No.

England aren't bad either. We have talented players but we (Hodgson) insist on sticking to this negative, backwards mentality and starting players like Cole ahead of Baines, Henderson ahead of Barkley, Welbeck ahead of Kane, Milner ahead of Walcott, Jones ahead of Clyne...

Ross does struggle. Ross will continue to struggle until he is assured that he will be given a fair chance in the England team. He is brought on with 10 minutes to go and expected to change the game. Aside from the fact that he isn't an impact sub, he'll go on and do some brilliant things. He brought England to their closest chance of scoring in the entire game against Ireland, yet because he messed up once Hodgson felt compelled to focus on that. What else does he expect? Does he honestly want Ross to go on with minutes left and score a brace single-handedly without misplaying a pass, or losing possession once? He's the one expecting too much of Ross, not the fans.

The only reason Hodgson is still England manager is because there is nobody else to replace him.

Whooooah, what has Spain got to do with this? That's just confusing bringing them into the discussion. Can we talk about Brazil as well??

Cole?? Ashley who has not played for England for nigh on two years?? Henderson has played well for Liverpool, I can't say Ross has played well for us. He does not deserve to start for us never mind England. Kane until the back end of November was not a regular starter for Spurs, he will be a regular for England now but it's right for him to play with the under 21's because he wants to and he played the qualifiers. Miller rarely starts and Walcott is just returning from long term injury and not played much this season. Clyne will start tomorrow at right back, Jones is not a right back.

 

[Jags..class]

Rooney on Barkley

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oney-as-Roy-Hodgson-resists-starting-him.html

 

[chicoazul]

It's always the young beauts who make you cringe most with their warped militant footie views.

It's the 17-29 age group that come out with the most toe curling guff.

What the f do you know? Nothing. So pipe rar down and keep schtum. You're no Che Guevara like in your head and I'd beat the living daylights out of each and every single one of you self entitled Kopites.

 

[Nymzee]

I bet chico is 25.

 

[Christiffa25]

There's no getting away from the fact that Ross didn't kick on this last season past. Is that down to a lack of ability? Just a bit of 2nd season syndrome? Or down to poor management?

Given the fact 90% of our first team were equally as average last season I think it's very harsh to judge him or single him out as having a bad season.

As for England..he changed the game vs Italy and against Ireland he tried 3 very unlucky defence splitting passes in 20 mins (only player in the whole game coming close to creating something). Should of done better with a couple of shots, and looked better on the ball than anyone else on the pitch.

Most the pundits all think he should be starting some games. Taking Everton form and the possible reasons for that out of equasion..... When your alternative's are Wiltshire, Henderson, Milner, Delph (ffs) Mason etc...I think they have a point.